[♠Winp®oClean♠]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC7GyAWXtGM

Just seen this, is this one of the new Phoenix poles?

[Small but perfectley formed]

Yes

[Stephen Fox]

Actually this is one of the older versions of the clamps on a composite pole (nearly a year old?). They have since be modified and upgraded (this section has since been replaced free of charge by the way  )

[richard jagger]

Same as my Mate`s pole yesterday. Six months old and it looked stuffed. How long has the Phoemx been on the market.
I don`t think I will be getting one after all.Anyone found different with these poles.

[roundbuilder]

I had a clamp break but they sent me 1 out free of charge the next day.

[formb]

Been using one a month. No problems.

[[GQC] Tim]

This was part of the discussion when the Phoenix pole was launched. The adjustment range on a length way clamp (when a pole wears) simply isn't there, plus the clamp body can never clamp a section like a lateral clamp can.

Lateral clamps have always been superior to length way clamps. Do some people find length way clamps easier to use? Sure. And I'm sure adjustments have been made by Facelift to prolong the life of the pole, but it's still an inferior clamping system in it's design and will never match lateral clamps. This proves that argument completely.

My 2008 Mark 1 SL-X everyday pole was still usable with the old style clamps, even though I had to adjust the clamp on section one and two if I wanted super tight grip. The point is, the clamps were still operating within parameters, and still had a ton of further adjustment. They were still gripping the sections so tightly, that I couldn't move them. This is barely the case with length way clamps when a pole is new.

Now that smart (lateral) clamps are out, you can wear a pole out beyond what we were used to, prolonging the life of a pole even more.

Thinking back I personally found it very odd that Facelift brought a pole out with length way clamps to begin with.

[Stephen Fox]

This was part of the discussion when the Phoenix pole was launched. The adjustment range on a length way clamp (when a pole wears) simply isn't there, plus the clamp body can never clamp a section like a lateral clamp can.

Lateral clamps have always been superior to length way clamps. Do some people find length way clamps easier to use? Sure. And I'm sure adjustments have been made by Facelift to prolong the life of the pole, but it's still an inferior clamping system in it's design and will never match lateral clamps. This proves that argument completely.

My 2008 Mark 1 SL-X everyday pole was still usable with the old style clamps, even though I had to adjust the clamp on section one and two if I wanted super tight grip. The point is, the clamps were still operating within parameters, and still had a ton of further adjustment. They were still gripping the sections so tightly, that I couldn't move them. This is barely the case with length way clamps when a pole is new.

Now that smart (lateral) clamps are out, you can wear a pole out beyond what we were used to, prolonging the life of a pole even more.

Thinking back I personally found it very odd that Facelift brought a pole out with length way clamps to begin with.

Unfortunately Tim, your argument is far from 'proved completely'. To point out some actual facts on this post - There are vertical, older style Facelift clamps still in use after 10 years of use and working fine. No lateral clamp can hold claim to that, yet this forum is littered with posts of lateral clamps with pole sections not gripping in less than a year of use....

If the lateral clamp was so 'superior' why was there a need to bring out an upgrade/redesign which brings its own unique issues??

Facelift brought out a lengthways clamp (after accessing the lateral clamp as an option for sometime and seeing the disadvantages) as it is simply faster, easier and more comfortable to use than any lateral clamp.

[Stephen Fox]

Same as my Mate`s pole yesterday. Six months old and it looked stuffed. How long has the Phoemx been on the market.
I don`t think I will be getting one after all.Anyone found different with these poles.

Smithie, who is your mate and what pole do they own (Materialwise)? Pretty much every pole out there can look 'stuffed' depending on how it's used and what it's made of. Facelift are constantly modifying the design on the poles to make them better, get your mate to contact us with any issues to see what we can do.

[R.C Property]

been using my Phoenix full carbon 26ul since feb this year with no problems at all, clamps are still holding well no spinning sections as yet.

[Small but perfectley formed]

No problems except lever on clamp broke twice first time it got knocked replacement received next day
Prefer it to slx .

[[GQC] Tim]

Sorry Stephen, but we are going to have to agree to disagree on what you said.

[dazmond]

i have a phoenix clamp on the top of my extreme 25(v2 carbon gooseneck adaptor)and the adjustment is very limited.its screwed in as tight as i can get it to stop my gardiners gooseneck from spinning.

i dont rate them personally.

however the new gardiner clamps are superb IMO and i dont get all the complaints about needing constant adjusting.yes i adjust them a few times a week on the odd clamp but its certainly not a major issue as some seem to think it is.

the new clamps address the issue of clamps not gripping when they start to wear(usually on the top 3 sections)sometimes in as little as 3 months of daily use on a new pole.my brand new slx22 with old style clamps started spinning after 3 months.absolutely fine now with new clamps fitted.


regards



dazmond

[Stephen Fox]

Daz,

As a die hard G fan, wouldn't expect you to say anything less! 

Just to point out, the Phoenix clamp is not designed to hold a Gardiners gooseneck, that is reason for it spinning. The diameter of the gooseneck is too small for the clamp. There is plenty of adjustment with the right sized tube. It was Aquadapter's choice to use our clamp as a workaround, have you let them know? It should be easy to remedy. I'm guessing you could add a small amount of tape to the gooseneck, where it clamps, and this would solve any spinning issue giving you an extremely firm fix.

It is interesting that you mentioned previous SLX clamps were not gripping in as little as 3 months. I can see why an upgraded design was needed

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I'm not surprised there are 10 year old Facelift clamps out there still working. That fact however has very little to do with the clamp itself but more the pole section. VERY hard wearing the old Facelift carbon pole, I had one for some time but unfortunately the downside was weight!! Even at 35/40ft it had to be walked up a wall & was very hard to use once up there, wouldn't wish one of those on anyone now.

Also, Facelift back then had nothing to do with Stephen Fox so I'm not sure it's worth comparing the two "episodes" of the Facelift company or it's products.

[Stephen Fox]

Thanks Winpro, I'll take that as a compliment

[chez]

This was part of the discussion when the Phoenix pole was launched. The adjustment range on a length way clamp (when a pole wears) simply isn't there, plus the clamp body can never clamp a section like a lateral clamp can.

Lateral clamps have always been superior to length way clamps. Do some people find length way clamps easier to use? Sure. And I'm sure adjustments have been made by Facelift to prolong the life of the pole, but it's still an inferior clamping system in it's design and will never match lateral clamps. This proves that argument completely.

My 2008 Mark 1 SL-X everyday pole was still usable with the old style clamps, even though I had to adjust the clamp on section one and two if I wanted super tight grip. The point is, the clamps were still operating within parameters, and still had a ton of further adjustment. They were still gripping the sections so tightly, that I couldn't move them. This is barely the case with length way clamps when a pole is new.

Now that smart (lateral) clamps are out, you can wear a pole out beyond what we were used to, prolonging the life of a pole even more.

Thinking back I personally found it very odd that Facelift brought a pole out with length way clamps to begin with.

Do you actually own a pheonix pole? Would be good to hear your thoughts on every day use. I've had 2 pheonix poles, one since feb 2013 full carbon 22, and the other an 18ft hybrid for nine months, both of which are still growing strong, hardly ever adjust the clamps, grips every time and no electrical tape to stop it from spinning. Far easier to extend than a lateral clamp. Buy one and try it and I think you'll like it 

[DG Cleaning]

This was part of the discussion when the Phoenix pole was launched. The adjustment range on a length way clamp (when a pole wears) simply isn't there, plus the clamp body can never clamp a section like a lateral clamp can.

Lateral clamps have always been superior to length way clamps. Do some people find length way clamps easier to use? Sure. And I'm sure adjustments have been made by Facelift to prolong the life of the pole, but it's still an inferior clamping system in it's design and will never match lateral clamps. This proves that argument completely.

My 2008 Mark 1 SL-X everyday pole was still usable with the old style clamps, even though I had to adjust the clamp on section one and two if I wanted super tight grip. The point is, the clamps were still operating within parameters, and still had a ton of further adjustment. They were still gripping the sections so tightly, that I couldn't move them. This is barely the case with length way clamps when a pole is new.

Now that smart (lateral) clamps are out, you can wear a pole out beyond what we were used to, prolonging the life of a pole even more.

Thinking back I personally found it very odd that Facelift brought a pole out with length way clamps to begin with.

Do you actually own a pheonix pole? Would be good to hear your thoughts on every day use. I've had 2 pheonix poles, one since feb 2013 full carbon 22, and the other an 18ft hybrid for nine months, both of which are still growing strong, hardly ever adjust the clamps, grips every time and no electrical tape to stop it from spinning. Far easier to extend than a lateral clamp. Buy one and try it and I think you'll like it 

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[mark m]

This is my video and I only made it to show mike at wcw what the problem was and was going to delete it but forgot but  apparently a new section  has been sent out to me on Friday according to mike it is the first time he has seen this  happen  so I cant complain if I get a new section still a great pole and I would buy again