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Sumit Kommando

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Hi Guys.

Looking for the most effective and most affordable way to heat my van up overnight to stop the waterfed pole tank and accesories freezing at 0 -0 temps over winter.

Ie

Greenhouse battery powered by leisure battery (do i have to charge this every night)

Thermostatic fan heater.

Best way to supply safe power to this, prefer leaving it in van without plugging into mains. I have a small lock up with electric supply, but can barely just get van in and its a little distance away from home.

Help with this greatly appreciated!!

And why do i drop flow rate over time with water. Using sureflo 100psi pumps and Brodex electronic pump controller. starts off great and starts to die after just a month or 2.

Looking forward to getting help with this, especially the heater.

Thanks

Paul

www.sumitwindowcleaning.co.uk
Paulo

mark dew

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Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 11:49:03 pm »
I only run an extension lead out the back with a £20 bnq electric heater.
I can't comment on your preferred methods.

Tom White

Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 12:12:03 am »
I had two flow controllers, both knackered now in a relatively short space of time, and now I work without them.  I just wired up the pump pressure switch which is already on your shurflow pump - it's very simple and takes about five minutes - and work unhindered by a flow controller.  A simple switch costs about £2 from Wilkinsons.

I get a good fast flow; it means I can work really fast; I don't get buggered about by having to recalibrate a flow controller or ensure my lieusure battery is in good nick.

My advice is to bin the flow controller; they're expensive, they're not robust, and they have the potential to mess us about.

I can't help with the van thing; I can run an extension cable to mine; but I would try some insulation around your tank and fit your pump so that it's easily removable from your van when it looks like it's going to freeze.  Wilkinsons also sell a simple 'plug' which means you can disconnect the wires that lead to your battery easily.

I also have a tap exiting from my tank I can switch off so I can remove the pump hose.

And just take everything in the house; poles/pump/hose reel.

Hopefully someone will come up with something better.

Granny

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Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2012, 08:05:10 am »
I had two flow controllers, both knackered now in a relatively short space of time, and now I work without them.  I just wired up the pump pressure switch which is already on your shurflow pump - it's very simple and takes about five minutes
Hi Tosh
How do you do this?
Is this under the cover at the top of the pump.
I keep having to re - calibrate mine now the cold weather is here sick of altering the pressure all the time ???
G.

DMC Window Cleaners Ltd

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Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2012, 08:23:35 am »
we run extention leads to the vans with a 2000w heater on a timer give them half hour on full heat every 3 hours this is enough to stop the ambiant temp going below freezing

Nathanael Jones

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Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2012, 08:26:52 am »
Running a heater of your WFP battery will not kick out enough heat & will leave you batter flat after just a couple of hours,..

Either plug it in, or fit a WFP heater with a frost controller.

Tom White

Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2012, 08:34:01 am »
I had two flow controllers, both knackered now in a relatively short space of time, and now I work without them.  I just wired up the pump pressure switch which is already on your shurflow pump - it's very simple and takes about five minutes
Hi Tosh
How do you do this?
Is this under the cover at the top of the pump.
I keep having to re - calibrate mine now the cold weather is here sick of altering the pressure all the time ???
G.


No, you don't have to open anything; you need a couple of electrical spades (cost pence); and it's dead easy to do, just not to explain. 

I went to a local window cleaner who works without a flow controller and just copied the way his wires went; it's very simple to do.

Spruce

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Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2012, 09:00:35 am »
Hi Guys.

Looking for the most effective and most affordable way to heat my van up overnight to stop the waterfed pole tank and accesories freezing at 0 -0 temps over winter.

Ie

Greenhouse battery powered by leisure battery (do i have to charge this every night)

Thermostatic fan heater.

Best way to supply safe power to this, prefer leaving it in van without plugging into mains. I have a small lock up with electric supply, but can barely just get van in and its a little distance away from home.

Help with this greatly appreciated!!

And why do i drop flow rate over time with water. Using sureflo 100psi pumps and Brodex electronic pump controller. starts off great and starts to die after just a month or 2.

Looking forward to getting help with this, especially the heater.

Thanks

Paul

www.sumitwindowcleaning.co.uk


How often do you charge your leisure battery. 1 to 2 months seems like a flat battery - but then winters is here and batteries don't work as well when cold. Sounds like its a split charge relay system. Split charge relay charging has been discussed on many threads as well.

Also, where is the battery situated? If you look at a couple of complete van systems, you will find the battery is raised - not sitting on the cold, bare van floor. We have got some rubber conveyor belting under our batteries.

As far as your van heating, you will not find anything more than what a forum search will reveal. This subject is dealed with on a regular basis.

By WFP heater, Nat is referring to a gas water heater.  edited; covered by Nats additional post

As you are unable to park outside your lockup and connect the van to a power supply, the best way of doing it is with a Propex gas heater. Several have commented over the years that they work well and not a drain on the battery. Personally, if I was considering this route, I would get a Auto Gas vapour tank fitted and fill it up at the garage. You won't have an insurance issue with this.

However, it is expensive to heat the van this way considering the price of the heater, and gas cylinder. You could also consider a 'loose' gas bottle which is refillable at the garage but you need to confirm that your local autogas forecourt will permit this. (Propex heater £550 and refillable gas cylinder £150. Other bit and pieces probably £20.00. The best thing about this heater is that it draws air from outside the van and also exhausts the hot exhaust gas outside the van, so needs the be mounted on a floor section of the van devoid of any chassis structure or fuel tank underneath. If the unit doesn't come with a thermostat, then that will be extra.

If you are interested, then ask about propex heaters on a seperate thread.

My son in laws van isn't heated and parked in the street. He switches the stop cock off from the tank to the pump, removes the filter bowl, empties it and then switches his pump on. He has an external van port with a stop valve Hozelok so puts a joiner in. The pump will suck air and push 95% of the water out of the pipe to the outside. Switches the pump off and screws back the filter bowl.

The next morning he opens the tap. If there is any ice in the pipe to the stop cock then we will have to warm the pipe up with a hair drier. We only have had to do that twice last winter. Once you get the flow going then the water flowing from the tank will help dissolve the remaining ice.

He also has a split charge relay on his van, but does a bit of mileage so his van manages to keep the battery more or less charged. We top it up every few weeks. Our other vans don't do much mileage at all and need more regular supplementary leisure battery charging.
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DG Cleaning

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Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 04:15:09 pm »
Agree with Tosh, I started on wfp a few months ago with the intention of getting a controller, I didn't get one to start with because I thought fast flow would be good on first cleans. Now I wouldn't have one, 400 litres is more than enough for a days work. After reading of all the issues people have on here I don't know why anyone has one.
I even read about someone buying a pump box the other day for over £400, barmy imo.

stuart mc

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Re: Did not get any response to this last time post! help much appreciate.
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2012, 08:38:01 pm »
paul this must be your third or fourth scottish winter wfp mate ;D get it sorted

how is it going anyway in sunny Dumbarton, did you sell your falkirk round?

ok your questions if only minus 2 or so I just wrap a quilt round my hose, pump, and anything else that might freeze. lower than that a oil filled radiator plugged into the mains, nothing 12 volt will keep the van warm, I have been known to fill with pure via hot water tap in the morning as well

controller no idea I don't use one binned them years ago

ps you did get answers last time you just never replied so the post slipped away as this forum is pretty busy