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Poll

should we have to be registerd

yes we should
78.4%
29 (78.4%)
no we shouldnt
21.6%
8 (21.6%)

Total Members Voted: 35

andrews

should there be a window cleaners lisence
« on: January 07, 2006, 01:14:25 am »
i understand that in scotland they have window cleaners lisence to stop anyone just picking up a applicator and bucket so you have to be register does anyone else think we should have that down here  ???

steve k

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2006, 06:48:33 am »
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laddersfreejason

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Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2006, 06:58:42 am »
I believe it is generally a good idea in any trade to have some type of license or body that tradesman must  adhere to. At the end of the day it eliminates cowboys!!

Of course it is important that customers and the genral public are aware of any such license/accreditation etc. Otherwise it really has no value.

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steve k

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2006, 07:21:31 am »
yes...as long as control of pricing did not go same way as taxis and we maintain individual control over our prices.
I think this is the case in Scotland.
In Holland, any new window cleaner has to have a WFP system in place before being allowed to work.
A licence would hopefully give the genuine self employed window cleaner a few steps up the ladder of public perception and give us a more professional image.
Compulsory standards are I imagine similar to the requirements for licencing of taxi drivers.
correct level of insurance
correct and safe tools for the job
criminal records check

the criminal records check is a contentious issue.
The checks are done to ensure that those who may have committed crimes in the past are only considered for employment in a field of work which has no bearing on their previous offences and where they would be unlikely to commit similar offences.
In window cleaning, we are often working unsupervised with people or on property so I can imagine that a record of violent offence(s) against the person or offences related to theft/burglary would count against anyone applying for a licence.
The issue of offences being spent would probably not be considered due to the fact that we do work unsupervised with people/property.
In certain occupations, whatever offence you may have committed and no matter how long ago it was, you have to declare it.
The list does not include window cleaners merely because we are not legislated or licenced.
If we were, I think we may find our occupation on the list requiring us to declare all/any offences when applying for a licence.
The decision to issue a licence or not would be the responsibility of the licencing agency who would be sent a copy of your Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) certificate.

I for one feels my appearance may be a bit overpowering to an elderly person whenever I have doorknocked...6`2", 14 stone and the face of an ex 3 Para boxer makes me look abit like Bill Sykes from "Oliver" - so the fact that I have a licence would give some of my potential custom reassurances that I am not about to strip their homes of all their worldly goods.

People DO make assumptions about why we are window cleaning.
Some people DO think we can find no other worthwhile employment.
People DO look down on us and think we are scraping a living.

Licencing would surely catapult us up the ladder towards a level of acceptable professionalism across society.
It would certainly (from a very selfish and purely business minded point of view) stop the (small?) number of window cleaners we have all seen who have our professions image shackled to the bottom of their wooden cart to be looked down upon by the public who pay him a couple of pounds to see him right.
Unless they were prepared to invest in safety and professionalism they could not operate...maybe harsh but true and in my opinion a move they should be forced in some way to make.

WFP - licencing - I vote yes. :)

Londoner

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2006, 09:27:27 am »
Yes definitely. The only trouble is that nobody would enforce it and it would end up as a shambles.

DASERVICES

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2006, 11:22:20 am »

  I find it a good thing as whenever I quote for a job I show them my license
  and they always end up saying yes. There are guys who are not licensed
  who work where I am but they charge £7.00 for a house compared to my
  £14.00.

  Thats the beauty of a license as people who prefer security rather than price
  will always have you. The guys who have no license never last as police do
  a check on us guys up here.

brett walker

  • Posts: 1943
Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2006, 12:21:29 pm »
yes   





   brett

The Fox

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2006, 12:24:54 pm »
I voted yes and totally agree with Steve it can only help improve the image of window cleaners.
The public must be made aware that there is a license or it would be a waste of time. It will just end up being more money for the taxman and no benefit for the window cleaner or public.

gaza

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Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2006, 07:00:13 pm »
I HAVE A POLIICE RECORD:MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE
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  GAZA
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

www.mrgutters.co.uk

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Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2006, 07:14:40 pm »
hi

i agree we should have a liscence , since like earlier mentioned some blokes where i live charge loads less, i went canvassing the other day in a nice area near where i work 600-700k houses i quoted this lady £20 which was cheap for what she had 12 windows at the front 13 windows at the back + patio doors and two side windows she said last bloke was only £12. it was a good hours work traditional so she said no to me as she will try and get him back cos he use to do it on the side for the cash !

so i reckon buy having liscences it will reduce the amount of cowboys around !

shawn
If a job's worth doing, it's worth doing well.

gaza

  • Posts: 1642
Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2006, 08:29:00 pm »
I had a cowboy undercut me just a few months ago now hes sold it to some lads
HALF MY ROUND WENT,CERTAIN PEEPS HAD BEEN INFORMED MAAYBE THE PRESSURE WAS GETTING TO HOT FOR HIM,THESE PEEPS COULD HURT HIM MORE THAN A GOOD TABBING.

LICENCE YES PRICE CONTROL NO

 GAZA
IM AT THAT AGE MY BACK GOES OUT MORE THAN I DO

pjulk

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2006, 11:09:49 pm »
I also think it would be a good idea having a licence system in place.
But only if it was going to be enforced and not just make more money for the council.

Paul

williamx

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2006, 09:08:14 pm »
Licences do not work, and will not work so long as the customer wants to pay less than the professionals.

If you want a licence scheme, then the people who you need to target, are not the cleaners, but the customers, who will be quite willing to break the law to save a few quid.

I can't see the council or goverment targetting mr and mrs voter in this way.


Moderator David@stives

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Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2006, 09:42:35 pm »
no

poleman

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Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2006, 10:31:41 pm »
Licence wouldn’t work and I believe it’s not working to well in Scotland? What would work in the UK if from one of the window cleaning governing bodies like The Fed or PWCA made a concerted effort to set a standard with-in the industry and then promote members to the customer, thou Newspapers TV and Radio in the merits in using a member this would be a long term plan and will get to a point where members would win work over a non member that has not set a standard, maybe then even longer down the road most will be members and the industry will have a professional image.

Andy         

John Conroy

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2006, 03:28:17 pm »
So going by Tams post lisence is not the way forward for UK window cleaners so If our trade associations is the way forward what would be classed as setting a standard ???   

Re: should there be a window cleaners lisence
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2006, 03:42:34 pm »
yes. if enforced and pricing guides not included