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Steve

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HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« on: December 12, 2005, 08:05:47 am »
Looking for some good advice from some of you wily old pro's.  I have just started out and have a few commercial cleaning contracts. However I would like several more, we have tried advertising in the local press  ??? total waste of money.  We have also tried leaflet drops and letters. Spent a fortune on emailing Companies  ??? etc.. Was thinking about cold calling on the phone has anyone had success at this, or any other tip's? 

lifeofgrime

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Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2005, 05:36:35 pm »
We employ an external marketing company - they do all the cold calling, mail shots and other cack, including arranging appointment with the correct contacts.

I'd recommend getting a professional firm in to do the marketing stuff. Just make sure any database they achieve blongs to you and not to them.

CMS

Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2005, 06:04:32 pm »
This is a reprint of a post I did a few months ago.

Regards

CMS


OK..........this is how I do it. Firstly, don't bother wasting your money advertising. In 24 years I have never won a contract through advertising. You MUST walk the streets and 'knock on doors' but I have a strict method of doing things.

1. I go to a reception and say this (word for word) "I work for a cleaning company and we'd like to do your daily cleaning. Is there anybody I can write to initially about this?"

Now then, let's look at what has happened here. Firstly, the receptionist would have been on her guard because she has to act as a 'goalkeeper' and keep the reps away from the decision maker. Then as soon as you say you want to write she starts to relax and you don't have to say any more than you have already said (don't spoil it by trying). I would stake my life on it that within thirty seconds she is offering you a compliment slip with the decision makers name on it. Put it in your pocket and move on. Total time less than a minute.

2. At the end of a day walking the streets you should have in excess of 100 compliment slips, in fact you can get that in 3 hours. Send an introductory letter to the decision maker on each compliment slip (a good mail merge/database manager like Act! can do this). You must keep it brief; just a short introduction, say why you are writing (that you would welcome the opportunity to quote) and, most importantly, that you will call him in a couple of days to make arrangements to visit. And make sure that you do.

From 100 compliment slips you should get the opportunity to quote for 10% of them. I can convert half of these into contracts but I've been doing it a lot of years. If you work on a conversion rate of 10% of your quotes you should get 1 new contract a week (100 compliment slips = 10 quotes = 1 contract).

You must keep collecting the compliment slips, maybe 200 a week then you will have a constant 'pipeline' of intro letters/quotes/new starts. But remember, as soon as you stop collecting compliment slips the pipeline will dry up!

Also, make sure you maintain your database properly. As has been said before, keep a record of 'renewal dates' etc.

Now I'm going to tell you about something that I do that I bet no-one else on here does.

I presume that like me you will keep your quotes on disk somewhere.

REQUOTE EVERY THREE MONTHS! - automatically whether they have asked for it or not. You can knock up a short covering letter to say that you are requoting incase the clients circumstances have changed.

You MUST maintain your collection of 100 compliment slips a week which will give you 10 quotes a week. After three months you will be sending out 10 new quotes a week PLUS 10 requotes that you did three months ago. After six months you will be sending out 10 new quotes a week, 10 three month old quotes a week and 10 six month old quotes a week.

The Conversion rate is less on requotes but it does happen. Your original quote may have been declined BUT three months later it could land on a guys desk when he's had a really crap day with his cleaners.

I used to convert 50% of new quotes and 10% of requotes.

BUT KEEP THAT PIPELINE OF COMPLIMENT SLIPS GOING - IT'S A NUMBERS GAME. IF YOU DON'T GET THE QUOTES IN YOU WILL NEVER GET THE BUSINESS IN.



Good luck.

Steve

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Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2005, 08:58:56 pm »
 :)Thanks for the advice guy's my first time posting it's nice to speak with people in your own industry.  CMS I will start getting those complimpnt slips excellent idea.  I have had no trouble cracking the domestic market in my area but comercial jobs seem harder to get.  Every time you turn around seems like someone has got hand out for money.

Again Thanks   

DP

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Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2005, 11:38:11 pm »
Good advice from CMS just ignore the first paragraph then you will be fine. We do ok by posting info out to the right people and then calling, keep a good data base and find out when contracts are due for renewal and always keep the line of communication going.

If you use a service, always secure your database by getting a confidentiality agreement signed (I have one here somewhere) unless you are buying their database as part of the agreement, if it is yours you can always include your own telephone number with a fictitious company name so you can monitor any after contract activity, also get daily or at least weekly reports.

good luck.
Everyone seems normal untill you get to know them!

Eureka Ventures

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Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2005, 01:19:46 pm »
Good advice from CMS just ignore the first paragraph then you will be fine.

Deja vu!
A consistently good service

CMS

Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2005, 06:04:57 pm »
Yes, it's interesting how the subject of advertising has raised its ugly head again.

I suppose its something that is either a personal preference................or not.

What is more interesting is that there are a number of current posts on here from folks complaining that advertising doesn't work for them.

I feel that my comments some months ago have now proved to be justified and that nothing more should be said on the subject.

Fox

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Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 09:15:34 am »
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I feel that my comments some months ago have now proved to be justified and that nothing more should be said on the subject.

LOL - Who are you - GOD?

Advertising and commercial cleaning - (in my experience)

Yellow Pages - Yes
Yell.com - Yes - (I have had many jobs this year through yell)
Direct Mail Shots - Yes
Local Rags - No
Flyers - No
Radio - No
Sign written vehicles - Yes

Advertising and domestic cleaning

Yellow pages - Yes
Yell.com - Yes
Direct mail shots - don't know
Flyers - Yes
Local Rag - Yes
Radio - don't know

There are many types of advertising that work and many types that don't, I can't believe that you feel that because a few people on here are struggling to get clients this way, your comments are now proved!  Maybe you made that comment just to get someone to bite!

What about other ways of advertising - do you think numatic would spend thousands of pounds each year for a place at the cleaning show if the advertising they did there didn't bring in revenue?  Have you seen the size of initial OCS and the likes adverts in YP?  Do you not have sign written vehicles?  Even if jobs are not gained directly from the ad, name and brand awareness is important.

Sorry CMS but to claim that advertising doesn't work is just complete tosh.

Fox




CMS

Re: HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 11:36:28 am »

I feel that my comments some months ago have now proved to be justified and that nothing more should be said on the subject.

I meant nothing more should be said by me!

Really - some people!