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AuRavelling79

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Van insurance and "modifications"
« on: October 28, 2011, 08:53:35 pm »
Has anyone on the forum ever had an accident with their van and had their insurance company decline to settle because it was "modified"? (eg carrying a tank bolted to the chassis)
It's a game of three halves!

TomCrowther

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 08:57:14 pm »
If there isn't, there will be soon. I think a lot of people are saving a couple of hundred quid a year and hoping for the best {that they won't be involved in an accident}.

Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 09:01:35 pm »
I think it becoming a common question now when you ring around for insurance that they ask "Do you carry water?" If so how much and in what container.
Once you've told them then you should be covered.

AuRavelling79

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 09:03:12 pm »
Your thoughts are interesting but any actual "non-paid" accidents?
It's a game of three halves!

Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 09:29:56 pm »
Your thoughts are interesting but any actual "non-paid" accidents?

So are we presuming you've had an accident?

Supreme clean window cleaning

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 10:40:00 pm »
i had a quote fo £900 for for my van with an lpg tank in it and insuring it for £12000 pounds for fire and theft and if it get written off a van with wfp system in it the next day so i can use im 33 with full no claims did not think that was bad from a plan

EandM

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 11:51:41 pm »
Back when I was young, the eighties, there were some well documented cases on TV Documentaries and in the newspapers of insurance companies failing to pay out and refusing claims on seemingly trivial grounds.

One documentary about how the insurance industry works showed them failing to pay out on a Ford Orion that had been fitted with XR3i Cloverleaf Alloys and a rear spoiler which were deemed a modification and thereby made the insurance void. The car was a total loss after it had collided with a tree - was a bit suspicious as the owner was reckoned to have been drunk driving, hit the tree, walked home and reported the car stolen in the morning to avoid a drink drive ban. Insurance company suspected this but couldn't prove it so returned the annual premium to the owner and told him that because of the mods, he was on his own.
Another simpler case was a chap who fitted a new stereo to his MK2 Escort and claimed on the insurance when the car was genuinely stolen. Car was recovered, burnt out, with the stereo missing. Owner admitted that he'd upgraded the stereo and the insurance company refused to pay out on the grounds that "He had made the vehicle more desirable to steal and hadn't notified them of the increased risk" - I kid you not!

Many Insurance companies are at best lying, cheating weasels and will do ANYTHING to get out of paying if there is any chance that they can find a way. The two examples were from the eighties when the insurance first went mad, going from 9 to 20 groups. It has become much, much worse since then and even if you have a perfectly reasonable, honest claim it can still take ages to resolve. My last one was 6 months and the insurance company did me out of £300 (out of pocket expenses) when my car was written off when parked quite legally it was struck by another car.

Insurance companies can bite - read the small print.

STEVE-UK

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2011, 07:47:19 am »
this is something i have been thinking about recently as want to upgade my 750 lay flat to a 1000....so its only a modification if the tank is bolted through the floor or chassis,

my thoughts have been have a custom made flat tank designed for you van that is the same shape as the floor of the load area, this will stop the side and forward movement then have the metal band type straps that simular to what is fitted on skid tanks which tie to existing tie down loops to stop tank lifting upon heavy braking, if designed this way even 1000l tank in a small van will only be 40cm high!!

custom made tank are around £1000-£1500 to have made, about the same as one years premium!!

if done like this we are no different to any other load carriers are we???

what are your thoughts guys 

EandM

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2011, 10:23:13 am »
this is something i have been thinking about recently as want to upgade my 750 lay flat to a 1000....so its only a modification if the tank is bolted through the floor or chassis,

my thoughts have been have a custom made flat tank designed for you van that is the same shape as the floor of the load area, this will stop the side and forward movement then have the metal band type straps that simular to what is fitted on skid tanks which tie to existing tie down loops to stop tank lifting upon heavy braking, if designed this way even 1000l tank in a small van will only be 40cm high!!

custom made tank are around £1000-£1500 to have made, about the same as one years premium!!

if done like this we are no different to any other load carriers are we???

what are your thoughts guys 
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At the moment it seems to be down to the discretion of the individual insurance companies. As people have written on this forum some companies allow a certain amount of leeway and others none at all. No doubt at some point there will be some agreement in the insurance industry and they'll all try and sting us! Just ask lots of questions of your insurer and if you don't like the answers try another insurer. On a side point I do think it's interesting that the insurers are so hot on tank fixings but not one has ever asked me if my hose reels are secured! If you crash into something and come to a dead stop from 40 mph, a loose 100m metal hose reel full of water is likely to hit the back of the cab weighing the equivalent of about 1 tonne and is probably more than capable of killing / decapitaiting you on it's own.

jay kingston

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2011, 05:33:31 pm »
I would advise everyone to make sure they have in writing that they are properly covered by having a waterfed system in your van wether it is bolted or strapped in.
I specifically stated to AVIVA when getting cover that I had a water tank bolted in.This was acknowledged over the phone by the company.
I have been insured with them for 3 years and I had a shock when I asked for confirmation that they knew I had a water tank installed and the response was NO.They contacted the underwriters for aviva and was later told my insurance would be cancelled and I had 7 days to find alternative cover.
So for the past 3 years I have been driving around with a policy that through no fault of my own was not fit for purpose and would not have paid out if I had had a smack.I was pinging.



rycalshaw

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 05:50:34 pm »
what happens if you buy your insurance online, surely if you answer all the questions asked of you they can,t hold you responsible for them failing to ask the proper questions. they do ask what trade you are so surely it should be up to them to ask the relivent questions, having said that the ins companies and banks get away with murder..

EandM

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 07:08:43 pm »
insurance companys are rip off merchants, if its a modification to strap a tank down? then so is ply lining the load bay is also a modification? so is fitting a holder for your mobile phone? roof bars to carry ladders?

f***ing tossers the lot of them no wonder everyone milks them for whiplash they just want there money back for the rip off insurance premiums



According to Gladiator, Racking is a modification unless it was a factory fit option.
Taken to the Nth degree the vehicle didn't leave the factory with me in it therefore I am a modification  ;D

KS Cleaning

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2011, 12:58:17 am »
i had a quote fo £900 for for my van with an lpg tank in it and insuring it for £12000 pounds for fire and theft and if it get written off a van with wfp system in it the next day so i can use im 33 with full no claims did not think that was bad from a plan
If you are only insured for fire and theft you will not be covered for a prang if you are at fault,for£900 are you sure you are not fully comprehensive?

Supreme clean window cleaning

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Re: Van insurance and "modifications"
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2011, 01:22:35 am »
No sorry fully comp fire and theft