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madgaz

new window cleaner just called to say hello
« on: November 15, 2005, 03:45:33 pm »
Hello to everyone on-line at cleantiup.co.uk, I joined yesterday and have been reading since. I have been window cleaning for about 4 years now and worked for the same person all the time. because he now has more than six young lads that work for him, I'M out, he says that money is tight (only I know its him thats tight) and he can no longer pay what I been earning. I have have worked for this guy and helped to builed the 8 rounds that he has up. so now i have to go back out into the big wide world on my own and start up. I know it will be hard to start off, but i want to w/c i do not want to go back bricklaying again, so I might have a few Q  ???  for some of you hope you dont mind.   :)

matt2323

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Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2005, 04:54:36 pm »
fair play mate ,how much was he paying you a day

Grafters Cleaning Services

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Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 06:33:21 pm »
good for it! and good luck
i'm sure you will do well
JAY "GRAFTERS"
From Southampton
www.high-shine.co.uk

daniel b

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Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2005, 09:12:30 pm »
good for you mate you dont need snakes like that in your life,just ask away there is no end of knowledge on this forum.

Good luck :)
Daniel
DSB Cleaning Services,Wrexham,N.Wales.
NFMWGC NO.9442,
Safe contractor approved.
www.dsbcleaningservices.co.uk

poles apart

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Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2005, 09:24:38 pm »
Hi madgaz
I'm assuming you were 'on the books' for the four years you worked for him, if so, how did he dismiss you? Did he give it to you in writing? Did he give you any other reason apart from he could'n't afford you? Did he give you notice?
A friend of mine is a solicitor who deals in 'unlawful' dismissals every day and you'd be surprised at what an employer has to do to get rid of an employee so you could well have a case for unfair dismissal and compensation. It'll help with the financing of the new business!
Good luck! :)
Rod

madgaz

Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2005, 10:39:03 pm »
hi everyone thanks for your support, he gave me 4weeks notice, and just said that with the way things were could not afford to keep me on, he was paying me £80.00 per day and yes it was on the books, i cleaned my own windows and dropped off the other lads and picked them up. but why pay someone 80 a day when you can pay someone 35, it just means he can earn more money that way, over the four years i have brought in around 250 houses for him, and that was just me, some of the people i know have said they only want me to clean for them so hes lost some already, and hopefully a few more will do the same. sorry it took so long to reply to your posts but had to go out.

davidsabishop

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Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2005, 05:32:07 pm »
Why not do a little leaflet stating the facts. Tell em you are still cleaning windows but for yourself (make that clear) Ask if they would like you to carry on.
If you have been treated badly the other guy cant expect you to lie down and get kicked

Paul Coleman

Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2005, 08:49:45 am »
hi everyone thanks for your support, he gave me 4weeks notice, and just said that with the way things were could not afford to keep me on, he was paying me £80.00 per day and yes it was on the books, i cleaned my own windows and dropped off the other lads and picked them up. but why pay someone 80 a day when you can pay someone 35, it just means he can earn more money that way, over the four years i have brought in around 250 houses for him, and that was just me, some of the people i know have said they only want me to clean for them so hes lost some already, and hopefully a few more will do the same. sorry it took so long to reply to your posts but had to go out.

If you have stated everything, he didn't dismiss you.  He made you redundant.  If you worked for him for four years, you are entitled to a minimum of four weeks redundancy pay (one week per year).  If you are over forty years of age it goes up to one and a half weeks per year for each year of service that you were over forty.  As this guy had you on his books, I assume he was paying your NI contributions?  If not, he could be in bother.
Another issue is that it sounds like the younger lads started after you and he retained them.  You may have a good case for unfair selection for redundancy due to the "last in, first out" principle.  Winning such a case (as you probably would) would be the equivalent of winning an unfair dismissal case.

So let's see now.  Four weeks pay at £80 a day comes to £1,600.  Winning an unfair selection case could be anything really.  Realistically, if you want to avoid the hassle of an employment tribunal (which will cost him more money), I reckon if you try to get an offer of 2 or 3 grand off him you won't be far wrong (N.B.  I am not a solicitor).
IMPORTANT:  Don't let this drag on.  You have a maximum of 12 weeks to start this ball rolling or your case would be judged "out of time".  The C.A.B. have all the forms and advice you would need.  I had to go down this route once to get pay in lieu of untaken holiday from a company.  As soon as they heard from the Employment Tribunal people, they settled with me and I withdrew the case.  Oh yeah.  That's another thing.  Does he owe you any holiday pay for untaken holiday?

Play your cards right and you could get enough for a half reasonable WFP system to start you off.

madgaz

Re: new window cleaner just called to say hello
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2005, 04:01:02 pm »
hi all, thanks for all your support and help, he gave me two weeks money and a handshake so i dont think i would get anythink else from him, but i did take your advice and have spent a lot of hours knocking on some of the doors and dropped leaflets in the doors of those that were not home, please note i have only knocked on the doors of the houses that i had got for him no others.
in the hours spent knocking i have brought 81 customers away with me, they do not wish for anyone else to clean for them they all said they were very happy with the way i do things. so i think i have a very good start, all i have to do now is a lot more door knocking in a different area where i hope there are no other w/c hopefully. so thank you all, i now think i will be able to get on with things now, and it means i do not have to dust my brick tools down   :D  :D  :D