[Bryan_Dolby]

Hi
You are going to attend a window cleaning training day (WFP & ladders)
What would you expect your tutor to have in qualifications?
Bryan

[richywilts]

on the job experience, some sort of teaching qualification, ladder use qualification, first aid certificate, nvq level 2 perhaps

[the bfg]

Hi Bryan.

for me it would cover H&S, method statements and correct procedures and I would expect the tutor to be fully conversant in these subjects.

[Darranvps]

Hi
You are going to attend a window cleaning training day (WFP & ladders)
What would you expect your tutor to have in qualifications?
Bryan

Experience more than qualifications would in my opinion be better, however some formal teaching qualification would be good as some of the courses previously attended by me I have notice a lack of verbal communication skills. There are courses out there to teach people how to speak clearly when teaching in a classroom environment.

What other qualifications are there for teachers of WFP and Ladders? It would be interesting to know.

[joewright]

Another thinly disguised thread  :

[Darranvps]

Another thinly disguised thread  :

We all know who he is, but give him the chance to come forward as he might say something useful, you never know!

[Nathanael Jones]

Bryan,.. a bit off topic, but a while back you mentioned a meeting between the FED & Health & Safety where you were hoping for some clarification on the whole "Reasonably Practicable" wording as it relates to window cleaning. Was there any definitive explanation made of this?

[trevor perry]

Hi
You are going to attend a window cleaning training day (WFP & ladders)
What would you expect your tutor to have in qualifications?
Bryan

Experience more than qualifications would in my opinion be better, however some formal teaching qualification would be good as some of the courses previously attended by me I have notice a lack of verbal communication skills. There are courses out there to teach people how to speak clearly when teaching in a classroom environment.

What other qualifications are there for teachers of WFP and Ladders? It would be interesting to know.

Hi bryan
 
 roughly what rhino said, i know the course would only cover WFP and ladders but these only have limited scope so it would be good for instructors to show the limits of these tools, it would be good if the instructor also had qualifications and experience of IPAF for cherrypickers and also PASMA for tower scaffolding, if the instructor doesnt have these then maybe a sidekick tutor could be on the course to give different examples of jobs with photos and discuss what methods to use to clean the windows many examples could be covered from internal staircases to modern internal gantries etc but as rhino says someone who has experience in cleaning these jobs is essential as pedestrian access and other issues such as floor surfaces etc would have to be covered.

[Bryan_Dolby]

nat

Its with the HSE still

When we get a answer back you will know
Meeting went very well

Bryan

[Bryan_Dolby]

Hi Trevor

Yes but with IPAF and PASMA related topics you would need to be on a seperate course because the topic could take up all day

Internal cleaning would take a good amount of time,possible course to deliver


There is alot to discuss with using WFP and ladders in a one day course

Bryan

[trevor perry]

Hi Trevor

Yes but with IPAF and PASMA related topics you would need to be on a seperate course because the topic could take up all day

Internal cleaning would take a good amount of time,possible course to deliver


There is alot to discuss with using WFP and ladders in a one day course

Bryan

 bryan i dont mean include IPAF and PASMA training these would have to be done separetely what i mean is that on the initial WFP and ladder course an experienced tutor could point out the limitations of these tools and have pictures of work where other acess equipment would be the preffered tools, i go on lots of jobs where i am informed not to use ladders ie some internal staircases they have read documentation saying ladders should be the last resort and inform me to use scaffolding this is very frustrating as the use of ladder produces far less risks then carrying scaffolding through buildings and blocking stairways, other jobs they expect me to use a ladder as it is a cheaper option where the use of scaffold would be much safer, as a window cleaner i need some sort of certificate that shows i am qualified to choose which type of access equipment to use and am competant enough to make the right decision.
  There is nothing worse than having your method statements and risk assessments accepted when you qoute for a job only to be told when your awarded the contract that they want the work doing in a different manner that is going to take longer and cost you more to implement but they are not willing to pay the extra, if your training covered competancy to select right equipment for access this could save the hastle of the above situations.