I was only coming from it with a different angle, I will meet Taylored, will go round with him, learn from him, he will know me and what Im like, I was more referring to not meeting the people that are actually doing the work via a large outfit. Thats all really, that was my only point, because unless the owner is doing it, not sure if you get to meet the people that he then sends round. Give me good experience to see from a different angle, because we are the IT side. Perhaps I should have said, "know whose representing you"