Ok, so I've used the Joka polars today.
They came at midday so I popped back for them.
They are quite big really. I went for the medium size. They are quite long and was a little bit of a struggle to get my jacket cuff over the glove (how I like to wear them) once I had both gloves on.
Completely waterproof and very warm. Easy to get on and off.
Perosnally I think they would be better with an elastic cuff & a little shorter in length, but you cant have everything. Definatley excellent winter gloves !
I took out the fleecy insides to see if they could be used without for summertime, but they were just too big.
I'm not 100% comfortable with them, but I've only used them for half a day. I'm sure they will become like a second skin in winter.
Anyway, there my thoughts. Deffinatley a good investment for winter!