[cornelius jemmerso]

 a very light stand-off is the B and Q one .   THIS thread got me thinking and i saw one today.  i  put my knee on the front bar and bent it right in  as i think it would work better touching at the corners only .  but i didnt buy it ,  maybe  after more thought ,i just might

[chopsie]

thanks for replying matt,and for your pics.i am sure i will get used to it as you say,i plan on using stand off and ladder stop all the time,just got to work out how to carry every thing!!

[martinsadie]

thanks for replying matt,and for your pics.i am sure i will get used to it as you say,i plan on using stand off and ladder stop all the time,just got to work out how to carry every thing!!

ditch the ladder stop for ladder spikes

[chopsie]

will look into them stan,how do they work,do they need to stick in grass or something?