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Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #40 on: June 23, 2008, 08:55:08 pm »
I would have thought that the plastic tank would rupture when/if it hits the bulkhead and jumps 2 feet in the air.

Granted some of the tie down points in vans are not that strong, but I would rather ratchet down than have a tank full inside a steel frame as the tank has no chance to rupture.
that post if logically think makes little sence.

if water hit a bulk head it would be a mass and would force the whole lot forward like hitting someone with a brick with a 2ft steel plate attached to the front.

A strap would snap (most of the time) we are not talking a little force when in motion.

A steel frame would split tank just as much if not more so than a strap if moving it will still hurt be maynot be as deadly.


I have seen some many people with diy tanks in van straped across the tank just to make it not move sideways when moving which is asking for trouble.

if going the strap route at least strap across the tank and also along the tank, I wonder how many people that read this think I have not done this. unsecured you are liable for others and it can kill. all I can say is think and make it safe and dont go for cheap just to make do.

Could someone translate please, this post me think not logical ::)
I am guessing your tired,

so will put in plain english, water at the weights we talk about can kill you.

A strap is not safer than a secure tank fitting.

A strap may snap.
A tank cage would burst the tank a strap might not it would be a chance.

if using straps on tank make sure at less they are in both across and along this sort of shape being you tired and need a little help I will try and show what I mean   ------> ++

Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2008, 09:07:24 pm »
I would have thought that the plastic tank would rupture when/if it hits the bulkhead and jumps 2 feet in the air.

Granted some of the tie down points in vans are not that strong, but I would rather ratchet down than have a tank full inside a steel frame as the tank has no chance to rupture.
that post if logically think makes little sence.

if water hit a bulk head it would be a mass and would force the whole lot forward like hitting someone with a brick with a 2ft steel plate attached to the front.

A strap would snap (most of the time) we are not talking a little force when in motion.

A steel frame would split tank just as much if not more so than a strap if moving it will still hurt be maynot be as deadly.


I have seen some many people with diy tanks in van straped across the tank just to make it not move sideways when moving which is asking for trouble.

if going the strap route at least strap across the tank and also along the tank, I wonder how many people that read this think I have not done this. unsecured you are liable for others and it can kill. all I can say is think and make it safe and dont go for cheap just to make do.

Could someone translate please, this post me think not logical ::)
I am guessing your tired,

so will put in plain english, water at the weights we talk about can kill you.

A strap is not safer than a secure tank fitting.

A strap may snap.
A tank cage would burst the tank a strap might not it would be a chance.

if using straps on tank make sure at less they are in both across and along this sort of shape being you tired and need a little help I will try and show what I mean   ------> ++

Me think me not only one tired ;D

Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #42 on: June 23, 2008, 09:10:33 pm »
I would have thought that the plastic tank would rupture when/if it hits the bulkhead and jumps 2 feet in the air.

Granted some of the tie down points in vans are not that strong, but I would rather ratchet down than have a tank full inside a steel frame as the tank has no chance to rupture.
that post if logically think makes little sence.

if water hit a bulk head it would be a mass and would force the whole lot forward like hitting someone with a brick with a 2ft steel plate attached to the front.

A strap would snap (most of the time) we are not talking a little force when in motion.

A steel frame would split tank just as much if not more so than a strap if moving it will still hurt be maynot be as deadly.


I have seen some many people with diy tanks in van straped across the tank just to make it not move sideways when moving which is asking for trouble.

if going the strap route at least strap across the tank and also along the tank, I wonder how many people that read this think I have not done this. unsecured you are liable for others and it can kill. all I can say is think and make it safe and dont go for cheap just to make do.

Could someone translate please, this post me think not logical ::)
I am guessing your tired,

so will put in plain english, water at the weights we talk about can kill you.

A strap is not safer than a secure tank fitting.

A strap may snap.
A tank cage would burst the tank a strap might not it would be a chance.

if using straps on tank make sure at less they are in both across and along this sort of shape being you tired and need a little help I will try and show what I mean   ------> ++

Me think me not only one tired ;D
I im am crap at grammer, I dont get tired m8 :D

Sir Squeaky

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Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2008, 09:15:21 pm »
I im am crap at grammer...
Quote
Grammar. ;D

Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #44 on: June 23, 2008, 09:20:15 pm »
I im am crap at grammer...
Quote
Grammar. ;D
Was meant to say Spelling  then again I aint the one in a black dress :P

tomy jackson

Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #45 on: June 23, 2008, 09:33:34 pm »
iv seen uni graduates as thick as a short planks as thers normaly two . but never mind il not slag em off  as it wood be bulleying . so now wev eshtablishd that not every body has the same srenths , & i hate bulleys . & when push cums to shuv % bulleys have ther own short cuming,    & not to understoneand wot ian  one must wonder  the interlect of sum

Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #46 on: June 23, 2008, 10:09:10 pm »
I im am crap at grammer...
Quote
Grammar. ;D
Was meant to say Spelling  then again I aint the one in a black dress :P

 ;D ;D ;D I thought he was competing with Tosh!  ;D

tompoole

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Re:
« Reply #47 on: June 23, 2008, 10:27:54 pm »
Ratchet straps are fine, just make sure the hooks are rated to 10 ton and its attaced to the chassis.
Then there is the other side of the coin.........
Does drilling the chassis to bolt the tank down weaken the chassis?
Have a bad crash and the insurance assessors find you been drilling holes in and weakening the chassis,.... will they pay up?


What size hole are you planning on drilling? we are talking about anchoring 1/2 a ton or maybe a ton not the queen mary!

john tomkins

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Re:
« Reply #48 on: June 23, 2008, 11:06:43 pm »
Ratchet straps are fine, just make sure the hooks are rated to 10 ton and its attaced to the chassis.
Then there is the other side of the coin.........
Does drilling the chassis to bolt the tank down weaken the chassis?
Have a bad crash and the insurance assessors find you been drilling holes in and weakening the chassis,.... will they pay up?


What size hole are you planning on drilling? we are talking about anchoring 1/2 a ton or maybe a ton not the queen mary!
I'm not planning on drilling any holes, I'm giving an alternate example to whats been offered previously.
People seem to be getting paranoid about H&S...... best if they just stay at home in a cotton wool box ::)



Rob_Mac

Re: Ratchet straps
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2008, 07:27:58 pm »
I have first hand experience of coming to an immediate stop from 80mph.

8 years ago I was driving to see my mate, who lives 15 miles away and driving at 80mph. I misjudged a bend, clipped the kerb and oversteered onto the right hand side of the road.

Did not really have a great deal of time to think about too much but I did see the speedo - it was a t 80 mph and then there was a lot of rushing noise, a very loud bang and then silence.

I hit a very big tree stump and stopped immediately.

I weigh 20 stone. I had my seat belt on but when I got out it had sheered from its mounting and was loose around my shoulder.

I did not shoot through the windscreen with momentum - the seat belt broke but it held me in place at the critical point.

I concluded that with my weight being at the top end of the scale - there aren't many 20 stone people - although this is becoming more common, it would put a greater stress on the mounting than someone who was average weight and the mounting probably would not snap.

I do not have the engineering and physics background to work out the stress factors involved but I do understand ratio and my experience tells me that momentum is not always continued if something is strapped in properly.

I may be wrong but this is my experience

Rob ;D