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Jon-scwindows

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what do you think, wfp without a tank
« on: June 16, 2008, 07:27:10 pm »
I have seen from cleaningspot a trolley system which is basically a glorified fast flow ro/ reel and di unit with a glorified price also, though the idea seems ideal.
To not need to haul around 1/2 a ton of water every working day. So basically you would be using the customers supply, taking along several fittings/hoses to connect to their tap.
I know a few of you have thought there would be issues with some customers about using their supply, though its not often that excessive amounts are needed for regular jobs, more than about 15-75ltrs for domestic even so many even offer to use their taps/hoses until you explain about the water.
The only thing i would think would be a compact enough trolley and marketting the importance of the purification process. The benefit being more space in your work vech, less fuel used without all the water, no need for static system. Disadvantages, changes in advertisement - informing customers of the need to use their supply. Differences in tds at different addresses.
It seems advantageous to use the water that is already in the pipes in the ground at every single customers house than what how we are presently operating. Is this the way of the future, i think i would prefer to do things this way.


jeff1

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2008, 07:36:15 pm »
What if your custy's don't have an out-side tap?

Jon-scwindows

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2008, 07:44:21 pm »
now youve got a point there  :-\
i assumed all domestic have an outside tap. I wonder about commercial too.

jeff1

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 07:50:16 pm »
Although out-side taps are more popular nowadays, not every property has them, you will also come across different types of taps and not always the more modern one, this means you will need to carry a range of different fittings.

One last point, if you live in a hard water area, you will go through lots of resin.

DASERVICES

Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2008, 07:56:45 pm »
Come the winter most people turn their taps off, so you are well and truly snookered. It would not work.

Plus my old saying time = money. How much money would be lost connecting it to customers taps, you could buy 5 tanks+ in a year.


jaykie

Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 08:03:24 pm »
I got a new custy the other day as they wasnt happy with there previous window cleaner using there water to clean there windows.

Chris

david wood

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2008, 08:45:23 pm »
iam banned from useing a good few of my customers water as there on meters

LWC

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2008, 09:16:44 pm »
personally i think its a little cheecky taking their water. ok a few customers have said to me use my water if you want but still nah not a good idea imho

j.v. price ltd

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 10:01:29 pm »
I have just got one, fantastic if you have a couple of vans to fill or on a really large job with a water supply we just set it up filling the tank in the van.

Have set it up at the moment as a static in the wharehouse filling 2 1000ltr tanks raised up of the floor then the lads come back to the yard drop a hose into the tank in the van and open the tap oin the bottom of the static tank and they have 1000ltr pure water in the van in mins....

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2008, 10:15:44 pm »
I'm all for trying to save fuel, but I don't think it would work really, the amount of time wasted setting the thing up would be phenomenal.  With a van mount with fixed reels, it's park up, wonder to the back or side of van, connect pole and walk to hose.  With a van you'd probably be done before the RO trolley was set up.

This is a good one for saving money on desiel.

www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14941.0

Simon.

WCE

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2008, 10:43:57 pm »
It isn't just the water supply that is a problem. If you read the advert it says just plug into the mains. I took this to mean water ie tap but if you look further down it says no 12v connection required yet this thing is electric! I think the mains they are  talking about is 230v! This of course makes the thing totally useless for residential.  Does anyone know if this is the case. Is it mains powered (electricly)?   
WCE- For Windows that shine everytime!

Jon-scwindows

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2008, 01:34:01 am »
I didnt necessarily mean 'buy that trolley there' you could set your own one up with a merlin or something that has a fast flow, enough to feed the poles. I Just thought obviously your customers would need to know that it uses their tap, or new customers but rather than hauling the water around use whats there. Though now thinking about it i guess not everyone will have their outside tap, im not sure about commercial places whether they will. I guess it would be handy as an extra in the van at the time being, though to replace how we work currently is not especially viable or worth it in the long run.

kirky

Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2008, 06:34:47 am »


One last point, if you live in a hard water area, you will go through lots of resin.

about 30 quid a week

Londoner

Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2008, 07:05:07 am »
I agree with the comments about time = money, also if there is a tap its usually round the back which means presumably you have to lug the trolley round to the back. That could be a real pain given the way some side alleys are jammed up with bikes/ bins/ boxes/etc. Same problem going through garages.

Even with a conventional trolley its only the hose that goes round to the back, or it is the way I would work.

The big problem I would see is that you lose the psycological advantage of having this "Magic" water that cleans the windows beautifully and leaves them spotless. If they see you connecting up to the tap some of the mystery is lost.

Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2008, 07:19:19 am »
I have seen from cleaningspot a trolley system which is basically a glorified fast flow ro/ reel and di unit with a glorified price also, though the idea seems ideal.
To not need to haul around 1/2 a ton of water every working day. So basically you would be using the customers supply, taking along several fittings/hoses to connect to their tap.
I know a few of you have thought there would be issues with some customers about using their supply, though its not often that excessive amounts are needed for regular jobs, more than about 15-75ltrs for domestic even so many even offer to use their taps/hoses until you explain about the water.
The only thing i would think would be a compact enough trolley and marketting the importance of the purification process. The benefit being more space in your work vech, less fuel used without all the water, no need for static system. Disadvantages, changes in advertisement - informing customers of the need to use their supply. Differences in tds at different addresses.
It seems advantageous to use the water that is already in the pipes in the ground at every single customers house than what how we are presently operating. Is this the way of the future, i think i would prefer to do things this way.
I think it is ideal for a lot of commercial work but domestics it would just cost to much time.
When trad I always took my own water with me and customers seemed to be impressed by this at the time because every other window cleaner in the area at the time was asking for water and I wanted to be different was all part of the service even thought it 2 was pennies in water.
Now wfp I think it would be a pain in the bum filling at each job.
I had a look at the system at windex impressed that it makes water so quick so would be good for a static set up just maybe a little ott. Also good if you have limited space.

Ian

Londoner

Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2008, 07:22:33 am »
It seems expensive don't you think?

Dean Taberner

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Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2008, 07:34:02 pm »
I was working in london yesterday cleaning a big department store and they didnt have an outside tap.   ???
Operations manager at J.V Price Ltd

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WCE

  • Posts: 968
Re: what do you think, wfp without a tank
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2008, 10:07:52 pm »
Although out-side taps are more popular nowadays, not every property has them, you will also come across different types of taps and not always the more modern one, this means you will need to carry a range of different fittings.

One last point, if you live in a hard water area, you will go through lots of resin.
Why would you go through more resin than you usually would for the water produced? These trolleys have a RO unit don't they? I would certainly hope so for the price!
WCE- For Windows that shine everytime!