[mark_roberts]

Some of you where asking me about the savage truckmount so heres my findings
 
I bought the booster vac unit not the full truckmount as I wanted to assess its power before committing to buying the full machine.  This unit has one of the large vac motors but theres two or three in total in the truckmount depending upon what option you take.  You could add more if desired but may need a generator to run it all.
 
I put 100ft of 2inch hose on the booster ( and capped the inlet as its a flowthru device).
 
100ft of 2inch hose on the Bane (uprated with twin cords)
 
100ft of 2inch hose on the alltec with a small 1ft connector to the machine.
 
At the end of 100ft the Bane felt the least powerful by far.  There was very little difference between the booster and the Alltec (2x3 stage vacs).  The Alltec surprised me as at 100ft with 1 1/2 inch hose IMO is less powerful than that at 2 inch
 
The Bane with the booster together made a huge difference to the Banes performance.
 
Testing was done with the hand over the cuff, sucking a foam block off the floor, lifting the carpet up with the wands suck.  Not scientific but I could tell the difference.
 
My Dad and his friend came in to see what all the noise was about.  They know nothing about cleaning machines and have never used one but could clearly tell the performance differences as described.
 
So in conclusion I figure the Savage with two motors would be a very powerful machine up to 150-200ft.
 
Also a portable with 2inch hose may perform a lot better than with 1 1/2 inch hose.
 
The Bane needs more suck.
 
Mark

[Mike Halliday]

Mark, One thing that you are not taking into acount is how a positive displacement blower (as fitted on your bane) and a portable vacuum motor ( as in your booster) interact.


when you fit these two together the air flow seam very impressive but once you restrict the flow then the power of the bane blower will pull on the booster causing it to slow down and pull less air. To test this put them both on and put the wand to the floor, then feel the outlet of the booster you will feel its not blowing out much air.

so in real terms putting a booster onto a bane won't extract more water from the carpet without some clever wand teqhnique.

but Bob S might disagree with me but I found this to be true when I fitted a 3stage vac onto my Bane.

MIke

[mark_roberts]

Didnt notice this but then wasent looking for it so will test soon.  A few guys in the states use the booster with the Bane and have nothing but praise.

Point to note is that the booster on its own performed noticable better than the Bane.

Mark

[Chris R]

How old is your bane Mark?

Only asking because I think that they improved the vac power
( a lot ) on models made after 1995, and you can also do a mod with the belt I think?

A local competitor of mine purchased a bane truck mount (about 15 years ago) and sent it back because it was crap!

But about 5 years ago he purchased another new one and is well pleased with it !

Chris

[Dynafoam]

Mike,

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you had the three-stage vac in parallel with the Bane blower, which would put it under strain.

I think Mark had his booster in series. (?)

[Mike Halliday]

John I don't think Marks booster can be put in series with the bane unless one of them is conected to the oulet of the other, as the booster is put inline it must be in a parellel other wise the dirty water would be getting pulled through the booster motor

Mike

[Glynn]

Mike
I dont understand what your saying here, "the dirty water would be getting pulled through the booster"
the dirty water should not be any where near ANY booster or Blower or any other vac unit for that matter.
All vac units, being - blowers, tangential , bypass motors or whatever else used in our industry are designed to move AIR and nothing else.

Glynn

[Dynafoam]

Mike,

You are of course right - if the booster was put in the hose-line it would have to be parallel.

What I was assuming ( hence the "(?)" ) was a series connection at the exhaust of the Bane.

As you correctly pointed out the effect of a positive displacement unit in parallel with a three-stage turbine would result in the positive displacement unit trying to suck air backward through the turbine.

[woodman]

 

[Bob_Savage]

Mike:
The booster hooked to the Bane, or any other truckmount or portable, WILL boost the CFM of the entire system at the wand, and increase the airflow, thus decreasing the dry times. I have a fellow in the States who uses a slide-in petrol truckmount with a #4 blower, and has decreased his dry times significantly since using our vacuum boster inline with his existing truckmount.

When the booster is used inline, it is ALWAYS PARALLEL to the existing vacuum system, thus increasing airflow, and decreasing dry times. Our inline vacuum booster uses all 2" vacuum hose, but easily adapts down to 1-1/2" hose on the outlet side if that's what your present HWE system uses, but the booster still uses 2" hose to the cleaning wand for maximum airflow.

If you re-read Mark's post, he actually capped of the outlet of the booster, and tested it as a suction and flow device, and compared that to his Bane, and to his portable. You would not use this model SAVAGE vacuum booster that Mark purchased as a stand alone device.

This vacuum booster is actually a mini recovery tank, that has a vacuum system on-board, so the dirty water passes through the vacuum booster to the main system recovery tank.

Again, this booster will perform quite well even being used  parallel with a #4 blower spinning at 300 CFM, and not give it up, but will add airflow to the mix for better dry times.

Best regards,

Bob Savage
www.savage-1.com

[Mike Halliday]

Mark does your bane have a vac gauge? to measure the vacuum power? does it read higher ( or have you altered your vac relief valve) when you fit the booster?

in the real world all that matters is what happens when the wand is pressed against the carpet because that when its doing its job,  measuring airflow on an open vac hose is'nt a realistic option.

mark have you tried what i suggested, put the wand on the carpet and feel the outlet of the booster is it blowering out a lot of air or is it slowed down by the Bane blower?

Mike

[Dynafoam]

Mike,

Won't the output of the booster and the Bane reduce as the air-flow is restricted by the carpet?

I understand the point you are making but think that some sort of pendulum indicator would be required - used first without the Bane connected and then with.

Though a bit rough-and-ready this would enable some comparative calculations to be made.

I have found that when a vacuum device with a greater water lift is put in parallel with one with less, the airflow through the lesser device can decrease disproportionately when the total airflow is restricted. (Which is your point).

One factor that could partially negate this is when there is a long hose run, and the booster is very much closer to the wand.

[Mike Halliday]

John the piont I'm trying to get at is the problem with mixing blowers & turbine vacs, P/D/blowers when restricted keep pulling air until the tank inplodes or the vac relief comes on ( or the engine stalls) a turbine vac will just spin, pulling no air.

so the P/D/B will at some point either stop the turbine or pull air througth it, at this piont the booster is serving no purpose.

if you restrict the Bane blower it will read 9hg. Attatch the  booster and again restrict it, it will still read 9hg,

in the end the technician must keep air moving to get the benifit from the booster.

Mike 

[Ed Valentine]

gentlemen;

Having been the first in this Industry to develop ('70's) and patent the POWER BOOSTER System in 1980, if it is designed properly, it most definitely will help enhance the performance level including the extraction, of any Bane unit with a positive displacement vacuum pump.

This fact (using our particular POWER BOOSTER System) was not only tested and proven by myself--and many others--it was further featured in a book written by Mr. Brian Kepka (worked for Warco Labs; Penn Walt Corp in their textile & cleaning divisions) called: "Taking the Mystique out of carpet cleaning" in 1983.

The key here, like with any product, is proper design and imployment.

Those are my thoughts.

Good Fortune to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.

[Dynafoam]

Mike,

We seem to be in general agreement, and Eds comment does not argue against your statement that to gain any benefit, the technician must keep the air moving.

Indeed, without air flow there would be virtually no extraction.

[Mike Halliday]

Ok  everyones agreeing with everyone else, So we'll lets this subject drop, I can see you're getting bored with it

Mike

[mark_roberts]

Bit confused.  All I want is more suck.

I'll try to do some experiments soon but at the minute too busy to faff about.


thanks
Mark

[Ivar_Haglund]

just getting in from a com job

I use cross american recoil with the vacuum booster from the truck and use bottled gas to heat the water
I just plug in the vacuum booster 15 meters behind the wand and it sucks like crazy dont really now how it verks but it does.


IVAR

[Bob_Savage]

Mark,

Don't be concerned with the testing part, just go clean with the setup you now have, trying different combinations of systems, and see where you get the best results. Keep a journal of your carpet dry times, where if it's a big job, and when you are done cleaning, go back and see how dry the first carpet you cleaned there is. Keep track of your vacuum configuration when you do this. I'm positive you'll find our vacuum booster will significantly boost the vacuum performance of either your Bane, or your portable. Remember: Our vacuum systems use a specially designed 3-stage turbine vacuum, not found in any other HWE equipment on the market today. This is not your normal 3-stage vacuum motor that you find in most portable equipment today, as many cleaners whom I've spoken with seem to think. There is a major difference between our vacuum motors and the "others".

As Mike Halliday commented earlier, it IS the real world results of your cleaning jobs that will show you the difference in using increased vacuum airflow with good lift. This will mean getting more done, a little quicker, and with better results.

Observing and recording your results is the BEST test you can do, and the easiest.

Keep us posted.

Best regards,

Bob Savage
www.savage-1.com

[Liahona]

I think it was sort of mentioned but anyway...... under most applications a bigger recovery hose will create more suction, my portable is 2 inch and sometimes I use my truck mount at 2 1/2, it is a brick to move but as you know I clean largeer areas than most so need the help when I can get it, but again a 2 1/2 hose is a brick to move around..... to those using truck mounts try it and see the difference even if you just use it for the first 50 or 100 feet. Best, Dave. P.S. A long time ago a lot of wands had a 2 inch hose going to it and some still do but it is very heavy to move and mostly now it is converted somwhere near the wand to a more manageable 1 1/2......... but my goodness did it have air flow.....