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PIWilliams

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a few basic questions
« on: October 06, 2004, 11:24:47 pm »
Before you read this I apologize now for my lack of basic knowledge :-\
Now please read on, (no giggling though)

I'm considering starting a round early next year. First question do you think i should start part -time on weekends to test the water (fully insured and everything obviously) in case I aren't happy and have lost a highly paid (but crap) job. and also do you think customers will dislike me cleaning on the weekends.

I've purchased most of my gear with the exception of a ladder (domestic work only is planned). Been talking to local w/c's and one has told me to get a pointer, and the other not to. Feeling safe up the ladder is the most important thing to me, so what should i get and what is the best type/size for domestic work

Another point on safety (because i'm not ladder literate!) one of the cleaners said when doing heights/upstairs windows he recommended I do what he does (because I'm only short therefore short reach) is to rest the top of the ladder on the sill so I can get up there... surely this will encourage the ladder to slip?

Nearly there now
I've seen mention of water tanks on the forum, I presume this is for people with the wfp systems? isn't it?

And finally I was under the impression that people with a wfp had to have an expensive machine that turns ordinary water (ps do you need to tell your local water authority when you set up as a w/c?) into de-ionised, but whats this resin lark for.

I know these question maybe obvious to a veteran, but not to someone who is trying to learn as much about window cleaning before actually getting out there and starting a round yet so your patience is appreciated!

Peter
Gotta get out or heading for a breakdown

Philip Hanson

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Re: a few basic questions
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2004, 12:23:36 am »
Hello Peter, and welcome to the forum.

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Before you read this I apologize now for my lack of basic knowledge
Now please read on, (no giggling though)
No problem, this is what the forum is for.

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I'm considering starting a round early next year. First question do you think i should start part -time on weekends to test the water (fully insured and everything obviously) in case I aren't happy and have lost a highly paid (but crap) job. and also do you think customers will dislike me cleaning on the weekends.

"Testing the water" is definately a good idea.  You might find that you really hate window cleaning, in which case you may be a bit stuck with it if you pack your job in.  Working on weekends is usually no problem.  I would avoid Sundays because customers dont much like that, but saturdays are fine.  Actually customers tend to like a saturday call because they are usually at home.

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Nearly there now
I've seen mention of water tanks on the forum, I presume this is for people with the wfp systems? isn't it?

And finally I was under the impression that people with a wfp had to have an expensive machine that turns ordinary water (ps do you need to tell your local water authority when you set up as a w/c?) into de-ionised, but whats this resin lark for.

When window cleaners talk about water tanks in vehicles, you're quite right, they are talking about water-fed pole systems.

To use a water-fed pole system, you have to have very pure water.  Pole systems incorporate a machine to purify the water, often inside the vehicle (which is "plugged in" at night time)  and this fills the water tank.

This purification is done either by using a DI resin vessel, as you correctly said, or by a combination of Reverse Osmosis and DI.  These sytems are expensive compared to conventional window cleaning equipment.

This is quite a complicated process, and not all systems use both RO and DI, it depends on the hardenss of your local water.

WFP systems are complicated, and choosing the right one can be confusing.  For this reason, and because it is of so much interest I decided to include a feature article about water-fed pole systems and how they work in the first issue of PWC magazine.

See the thread on the main window-cleaning board to see how you can obtain it by clicking HERE

-Philip
Editor, Professional Window Cleaner Magazine

"The irony of the information age is that it has given new respectability to uninformed opinion"
John Lawton

simonb

Re: a few basic questions
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2004, 02:45:36 pm »
Pointers are great for downstairs windows too high to reach of ground otherwise you have to lean off long ladders to do em.
Carefull resting on sills pvc are very slippy but you can get rubber mitts to put over top of ladder to prevent this.
get safety feet too

dragonet

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Re: a few basic questions
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2004, 06:05:47 pm »
When I started ( 2 months ago)I used Normal trade ladders and like you I am short and I found even if I rested the ladder on the sill even then sometimes I could not reach the top of the frame I really did not feel save over stretching on a ladder that is resting on a upvc sill. I was adviced on this forum to get extendable pionters, Best money I ever spent ;D I can get alot higher up the window as I prop the ladder half way up the left side of the frame and I feel safe. also my customers love them as I do not damage there sills, infact I have had new customers aproach me because of them. The only downside I found is they can twist on uneven ground if you do not have feet fitted :-\
The Clean Cut Company
Wales

PIWilliams

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Re: a few basic questions
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2004, 05:43:28 pm »
So whats the best sized pointer for domestic houses :-\?
Gotta get out or heading for a breakdown

dragonet

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Re: a few basic questions
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2004, 08:13:19 pm »
I use 2x11 rung 17 foot fully extended light trade pointers but sometimes I would like a couple more feet to work with :-\

The ladders I use are these http://www.ladderstore.com/acatalog/LadderStore_com_Window_Cleaners_Ladders_30.html

But I did not pay the wapping 223 pounds that they offer I paid 140 from the supplier (they are only 2 minutes down the road from me in Newport, South Wales ;D

Hope this Helps And good Luck!

Martin Heames
The Clean Cut Company
The Clean Cut Company
Wales

PIWilliams

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Re: a few basic questions
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2004, 03:56:03 pm »
Thanks Martin

One day the vertically challenged shall rule the world ;D
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