[CS_Win]

Today was my first atempt at useing gg3, (18 years with fairy and the unger pill,) to my mind it doesent seem to work, I definately live in a soft water area LEEDS, yorkshire water confirmed that at luch for me, I was useing an SIR oblong bucket with about 3 galls of  water and put in 10 ml of GG3, it generated no foaming at all and was like working with plain water! i couldnt see where I,d been with the squeege and genrally didnt do a very good job, What am i doing wrong? so a bit miffed at the moment, I used hot water does that make any difference?

[stephen]

i live and work in leeds we do have soft water. i use gg3 and have no probs with it it did take a few weeks to get used to but well worth it try adding a bit more till u get it right .

[seanc]

your not on your own i dont get any suds http://www.theanother place.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=16 when sighning in tell them shawclean recomended you and you can see what everyone else says about it

[CS_Win]

Twice now I have been directed to other forams to discuss this, All seems a bit odd as each one i have to re-register uername etc its a real pain! All I'm asking is am I doing something wrong if not is it worth persaveering, or worth trying GG4 even if I know I am in  soft water area? Is there anything else to discuss?

[seanc]

well there you go

[WavieDavie]

All I'm asking is am I doing something wrong if not is it worth persaveering, or worth trying GG4 even if I know I am in  soft water area? Is there anything else to discuss?

Hi CS

The search button is a wonderful thing, I've cobbled something together for you from some previous posts on GG3 . . .

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Nah, there's no great mystery - use GG3 or 4 with clean water and you won't need to use V*****r, or F**** L***** promise!

Whaddya mean you don't know what GG3 or GG4 is? Do a search or just go to http://www.titanlabs.net/gg3.htm and find out all about it. 3 is for soft water areas and 4 is for hard.

to avoid squeege marks
Use fresh rubber - I've heard of some folk on these boards going through three sides per day. If you persevere with a rubber after YOU notice it's leaving marks, just consider how long it would take to swap a new blade over against the extra time it takes to scrim/microfibre over the marks. Trust me - it's cheaper to swap over, especially if you can buy one yard of pulex for £1 +vat.  

If you do start to use GG3/4 you might want to use a slightly shorter squeegee blade as you need a lighter touch.
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I use 10-15ml per gallon and I find it great. You do get used to the lack of suds which is a bonus really - there's nothing to mop up at all on some jobs. I went back to washing up liquid for a day a couple of months ago and really hated it. It took so long in comparison.
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My brother and I run a family orientated business in South West Scotland (Ayr,Prestwick) and for the last 9 years have used fairy liquid in our water.

Having read the messages on this site over the last few months we decided to give GG3 (soft water area) a go.

I have to admit that the results have been remarkable.

There is no way back for us now,less detailing,less mopping,less drag and all in all an easier way of cleaning windows.

What worries me is the amount of (working) time we have wasted over the last decade.
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To be honest, I really hated GG3 when I first used it and it was only because of other window cleaner's comments on this forum that made me buy a large bottle full and persevere.

I'm really glad I did as I tried using Fairy again for half a day early on in December and I HATED it! It was messy, slow and I used loads of scrims.

If you are starting out with it, slow down a little when you're squeegeeing. In no time you'll love it......honest!
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   Done another day with gg4 in soft water area and had no problems. I`ve used it for a few weeks now and everything ok. I keep expecting the old problems to resurface but changing my rubber regularly does the trick.
    I don`t know if it would work the other way round -GG3 in hard water area.Don`t suppose you`d but it though when gg4 is cheaper  .
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     I bought gg4 thinking I was in a hard water area but since found its soft. After months of problems I find it works great now (rubber needed changing  . So I do think you could use it. I would be interested if anyone knows different and that I`d be better off with GG3.
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Don't wipe the blade. I used to (as I was taught), but I have since found that there is no real advantage to this. Especially with GG3/GG4 it only hinders you.  

Cut out the wiping and you'll save time. Just apply soap solution, squeegee off and then detail with a scrim or huck towel. Following this, I wipe the sill off with a small hand towel.  

I hope that this helps.  
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Sorry guys I am still on the fairy,I have used GG3
coustomers said I was out of bubbles they were not happy!
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I do find though, that after using GG3, when I go back to my houses after a month they are still quite clean.

I don't know if this is a good thing or not. It's good for me as there's less work, but I hope that my customers don't notice!  
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As a GG3 user for the past five(ish) months, I decided to have a day back on the Fairy.

Going back to washing up liquid after getting used to GG3 was a nightmare. I found it messy to use with loads of mopping up and much slower. I found that the suds got in the way and I couldn't see caked-on bits easily.

Today I was back using GG3 and it was so easy, no mess and less detailing. It took some getting used to at first but I'll never go back.
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There's stacks more - have a go yourself!!

[CS_Win]

Thanks a lot, Its knowing how to use the site properly for a beginner thats a bit of a problem, but that last "cobble" from wavie was just what I,m looking for, thanks again just need to stick at it a little longer.

[pjulk]

I dont use GG3 as i live in a hard water area but i do use GG4.
When i first started to use it didn't like it that much as i found it was easy to miss a bit due to the lack of foam.
Now i just add an extra capful (now 3 capfuls 15 ml) to my water and its just right get a slight amount of foam but not to much.
Wouldn't use anything else now you just need to stick with it and all will come good.

Paul

[CS_Win]

Yes Thanks for everything 2nd day today and a lot better, i put a very wee drop of fairy in first to give a bit of foam, that may of helped, plus a new rubber, so all in all a better time of it.

[g_griffin]

Yes, I agree with Davie. It`s all about the rubber. Change it daily, or more often it helps, and you`ll notice the difference.
What convinced me was that I would cut the rubber down from my bigger blades to put in my smaller ones. Then put in a new piece in my largest blade which worked well with gg4 but I found the smaller squeegies were sticking on the glass. Sounds obvious but I couldn`t work it out for ages  .
Try using a smaller squeegee until you get used to it and don`t dry the rubber between passes as this enables you to get some glide and momentum going.

     Gerry.

[CS_Win]

All good advice and helpfull so I,ll just run another one past you, I have a big pub todo next week all leaded I hate it!! Normally with fairy I would always put in a smaller quantaty for leaded, now with GG3 shall I keep to the same dilution as  with the squeege or a bit less, Does this make any sence? Thanks in advance.

[billozz]

we have recently started to use gg4(not sure of the difference between 3 and 4 ) and it does take a bit of getting used to. we find that it is better to drag the squeege from left to right across the glass..working down as yo go ...rather than back and forth like you can with fairy...as has already been said there is hardly anything to mop up when you have finishedpersonally i like to have less rather then more in the bucketas i feel it forms into beads easier which makes the blading easier.
you will definately notice a difference when doin the pub...we had a lot of probs with the nicotine when using fairy but gg4 cuts right through it ....the ppl at the pub...and other properties we do...even houses have commented on the fact that their windows stay cleaner for longer...not too long ...for obvious reasons
regards
bill

[seanc]

one is for hard water the other is for soft

[billozz]

thanks for the reply sean...but it doesnt say that on the write up for them.
thanks anyway
bill

[CS_Win]

Thanks Billoz, Did the pub yesterday and you are right a great improvement easyer and better, why did'nt I find this years ago?

[M4RK]

I've never tried GG3 or 4, but by the sound of it I will have to give it a go.

Just one question:

Will my hands stay  "as soft as my face"  ?

[M4RK]

Third day using GG4.

Loved it first day strangely enough.

Second day I seemed to struggle with the rubber.
I had replaced it. Maybe was a different kind.

I can definitely see how there is less detailing.

I use an 18 inch squeegee. Maybe too big. Big windows though.
Smaller blade would lose me the time gained detailing.

Overall though I think I will stick with it. The glass does gleam and I've no nasty rashes on my hands.

Or anywhere else for that matter.