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Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« on: March 24, 2007, 08:52:22 am »
Hi guys still need more advice please can you give me any information on the pros and cons of inline heat exchanger v heating element inthe solution tank i know the element is much cheaper to replace if it goes wrong, but what about performance? i would realy like your opinions. Cheers Tony
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Ken Wainwright

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2007, 09:51:03 am »
Can't help Tony.

I don't use either :o

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Ian Gourlay

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2007, 11:07:33 am »
Ken,

I was going to ask what you use then I remembered.

Not over impressed with inline heaters

Steve Dudley

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2007, 11:11:39 am »
I've got both - run them at the same time and you get hot water fast. Good because I do a lot of letting work where they don't don't have hot water.

paul wright

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2007, 11:30:00 am »
tank heaters take 30-40 mins to heat water up to temp, then u can get it out the tap at same temp so not lot use really unless u do loads of empty prop that aint got the hot water on, inline heaters like the v2  will heat the water in the exchanger to steam in about 3-4 mins , using a v2 with cold water u will get constant warm water  , use the v2 with hot water and u will get very hot/burst of steam constant, if u are using a tank heater with a 200 plus pump and are doing a lot of cleaning on one job u spend more time waiting for it to heatup than cleaning

Terry_Burrows

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2007, 04:31:08 pm »
are the in line heaters from master clean any good,about £245  :-\
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Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2007, 06:17:49 pm »
Hi Ken do you only clean with cold water .What machine do you use cheers Tony
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stuart_clark

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2007, 12:09:58 am »
its all down to the jet size i think! iam using 500psi ninja with a v2 steam mate and am getting very hot water from ice cold after about 5 mins

paul wright

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2007, 08:09:07 am »
it be 400psi,   u will only get very hot burts from stone cold water with a v2  if u spray for coulpe mins then let it rest the same,   u never get constant very hot as the water moves to fast though the exchanger even if u turn the flow down to 100psi

Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2007, 12:20:24 pm »
Hi guys been reading all your replys still not realy got the answers i was hoping for re:- element v heatexchangr the one i was thinking of was the prochem with inline heat or the alltec with element please can you give me your opinions. Thanks Tony
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paul wright

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2007, 12:26:12 pm »
hav i not answerd u first q then lol ::)

Cleaning Resource

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2007, 05:24:18 pm »
i`ve got a prochem with the inline heater, i`ve added a submersion heater to the solution tank.

I have wired coming of the same power as the motors with an extra switch next to the others,
I turn it on when I fill up, when the waters hot I turn it off and just use the inline heater. I think it would start tripping fuses if I left it on. ;D

Liahona

Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2007, 05:35:36 pm »
I use an inline fuel burner, there is no comparison.  I use to use an inline propane heater but someone advised on here that they were illegal in this country.  Both are fully controllable and will maintain 225 to 250 degrees.  Not that you need it to be that hot but if needs be for hard surfaces it will.  Best, Dave.

Martin_Bignell

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2007, 06:40:21 pm »
Hi Tony,
Before you go and waste your money and buy a load of kak.
The answer to your question  is both. You need a tank heater to bring the solution up to temp while you are preparing the job and inline during the extraction. This gives you the heat required to make life easy and produce better results.
The two machines that you have mentioned are now ten years out of date.
 Spend your money on a Ninja 400psi,
3k tank heater and inbuilt V2 steamate it gives 70c at the jet continuously while working. In HWE heat and pressure clean carpets. Have you ever heard of a Truckmounter trading in his Boxer for a 100psi portable?
Basic machine Ashby's  www.ashbys-uk.com
Hoses and wands www.aandmcs.co.uk great bargains this month.
PowerFlite whole room dryer from Amtech. www.amtechuk.biz

Hope this helps, Regards, Martin.

Ken Wainwright

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2007, 07:33:39 pm »
Hi Tony

My approach to HWE carpet and upholstery cleaning is that all of the work in the CHAT Cleaning Pie ie Chemical, Heat, Agitation and Temperature, is carried out as required.  Extra to this is the Pre Vac and the Rinse. As the soil has been broken away from the fibre/yarn, heat, when rinsing, is an  insignificant requirement. My chosen pre-sprays, whether detegent or microsplitting, are formulated so that only a freshwater rinse is required ie they are free rinsing.

Having said all this, when it comes to HEAVILY soiled carpets, it is not always possible to clean in this way as the CHAT process may not sufficiently break down all of the soil/fibre bondings with one application. A heated rinse in these circumstances is of great benefit. I prefer not to be involved with this market sector.

There is a general opinion that a heated rinse will accelerate the initial stage of drying, and certainly I would support that view. I do, however, have two concerns.
1) Too hot water in the rinse tank can be detrimental to the pump.
2) Excessively too hot a rinse, especially at elevated psi,  can, and does, damage the twist in some yarns, especially those at the lower cost end of the market. Sometimes, this damage may not be immediately apparent and only manifest itself some time later.

In my own machine, I use hand hot water for the rinse, typically about 50oC. If not available, I will use cold water from the tap with no obvious disadvantage. I typically run between 170 and 220(ish) psi. For the way I work, drying is not a problem.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2007, 08:52:47 pm »
Hi Martin & Ken
Thanks  to everyone for all the information you have given me a lot to think about  after been to the show at the nec i thought i had it down to two machines prochem or alltech but now talking to all you guys not at all sure. Looks like i might have to reconsider my budget Thanks again Tony
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Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: ELEMENT v HEAT EXCHANGER
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2007, 10:17:21 pm »
Hi Martin any chance you can contact me cheers Tony anthony.gill7@tiscali.co.uk
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