sorry to add to the confusion but found out yesterday that my local business advice centre can get me a training grant for a new man of 750 if i send him for training course i.e. could be of interest to companies that are looking for staff send on a one day course for pole operators like bwca than do a bit of training in house and benefit by say 500 quid i don,t know if its avilable everywhere but worth asking about if your taking on staff