so we cant ever talk about pros and cons off machines,suppliers,chems etc etc thats nuts imo do machine makers own this site ? do they advertise on here? no dont think so , is this forum not for the workers ? i thought it was, if a maker /supplier dosnt like a comment made on here they can always privately speak to that person if they want , if someone on here says they think a certain brand is crap so what we aint on here for them, talk about big brother or what