[G Griffin]

Lol if you can’t afford to buy and run a heater with an outlay of 5 grand I think you need to either get a job working for a window cleaner with decent work or do something else,let’s be honest what other outlay have you got apart from poles.
Go and look at what the other trades like plumbers and electricians have to buy just so they can do the job,and don’t say they earn far more than window cleaners because I know for a fact they don’t,or shouldn’t be if you’ve been at this a while I think there’s a lot of window cleaners that are happy with what they do and don’t look for anything more as far as quality of work goes do what you’ve always done get what you’ve always got type of thing 😉.

Cold water users are also able to earn a very good living. You seem to believe that because you use hot water you earn much more than cold water users, who are inferior.

Im not convinced NWH actually cleans any windows , he spends nearly all his day on here but never stops for a chat with customers because time is money 

I have to admit that going back to cold until my new heater arrives is not enjoyable for me and on average work has been taking about an hour longer per day ...........i love using hot and i have noticed after doing a few days with cold water that i use a fair bit less water using hot .


But i dont think it really makes your business more profitable , the extra costs pretty much even it out in my opinion , unless your Nigel that earns millionsand can buy whatever he wants and has an infinity sized tank with endless water apparently !

That's true and I should know.
He's still da man though.

[NWH]

👌 enough said 😉

[dazmond]

we all spend a fair bit of time a week cleaning.......its 20-30 hours a week for me......

years ago i didnt care.....i was a lot younger back then  but these days its all about making my day easier and more enjoyable.....hot water does that for me esp during the winter months......

i can honestly say i absolutely hate cleaning windows and add ons in winter with cold water......

after cleaning a block of flats tomorrow morning and a couple of large houses ill be off to clean my girlfriends parents very green conny roof...last time i cleaned it was over 2 years ago now...hot water will make it a lot easier for sure.......

its also a unique selling point....customers love it when they see steam from your brush....a bit like when they used to like suds on the window when we were all trad!

water flow is very good all year round with hot water,windows dry quicker and rinse better....not to mention the warm supple hoses to keep your hands warm and the hose much more manageable.....

if your happy with cold water cleaning then stay that way....rather you than me though lads.....i hate it!

[P @ F]

I have 4 brand new ones sat in my shed , the great thing is all 4 cost less than what Daz just paid for his service 

some of us are not  hand to mouth window cleaners anymore mate struggling along just about paying our bills...i was for many years though.....there is no way a cheap chinese heater is better/more reliable than a webasto heater......ive had a few little niggles but nothing major in 3 YEARS of running the heater.....

mostly it runs trouble free with hot water on tap all year round.....

 

Well mine appears to be working fine where as yours isn’t is it ?

It’s had a new glow pin in 2 years , mine was £10.50 , how much was yours again ?   

[zesty]

I'm on the coast - hot makes no difference to the speed or quality of the clean

It does give better working conditions and when using TFR helps it foam up

both of which can easily be achieved for the cost of £100

Darran

This is exactly what I found.

Hot made no difference in speed.

You could argue it melts bird muck a bit quicker, but it’s not often you’re stuck scrubbing a cement crap anyway.

I don’t use my pure for gutters/facias, so using hot doesn’t matter for me in that case.

Plus, because I’m big into softwashing, anything else is softwashed anyways - cladding etc.

So the only thing I use pure for is windows. And in that situation, I just cannot be bothered with these diesel heaters. With the cost to benefit ratio being minimal.

The only diesel heater I’ve ever been tempted by is P@F’s, but after him and I discussed it over the phone, we decided it wasn’t gonna work with my system as I’ve got a 750l tank, and the WFP link ‘one shot’ so water is constantly going on and off between windows etc.

But, it’s a free country, and if people want them, happy days. I mean nigels got one, so they must be amazing and earn you £800 a day.

[NWH]

Hot water systems terrible waste of money.

[Splash & dash]

About 10 quid a day to run hot water for 3 years roughly 🤣🤣 you want to get some better paying work then.

So you are spending around 2k a year or more on diesel to run it?

If you were to buy 1 and run it come on  keep up for Christ’s sake.

? Just surprised you think these Webasto heaters cost "absolutely peanuts" to buy and run. and you are spending in excess of 10k over 5 years just on the diesel to run it.

That is peanuts when you run a successful business , it’s well worth the expense we have them in all our vans , the extra work we do due to using hot  more than pays for  it , maybe a sole trader charging £5 a house and earning £75 a day couldn’t afford it but charge right and have a good customer base and it’s well worth the expense

To most on here as sole traders I do not think it is peanuts.

I would be surprised if anyone on here charges £5 a house and earns £75 a day. If you wish to make a serious point, use serious and realistic figures.

Ok then if you want to be pedantic if you earn £250- 350 per day  and you cannot afford to pay for a hot water system then you are doing something drastically wrong , Ime sure most on hear as sole traders can easily earn that if not considerably more so as I said it’s peanuts , if you are happy with cold then that’s fine I don’t care wether you use hot or cold  , Ime just sharing my experience of using both and hot is 100% worth the expense, I wouldn’t have put hot systems in all my vans if it didn’t work or wasn’t cost effective

[Gringo]

Hot water systems terrible waste of money.

That's the quote of the year right there
7 pages for Daz boiler service booking
Thinking of starting a how much to clean this thread

[G Griffin]

we all spend a fair bit of time a week cleaning.......its 20-30 hours a week for me......

years ago i didnt care.....i was a lot younger back then  but these days its all about making my day easier and more enjoyable.....hot water does that for me esp during the winter months......

i can honestly say i absolutely hate cleaning windows and add ons in winter with cold water......

after cleaning a block of flats tomorrow morning and a couple of large houses ill be off to clean my girlfriends parents very green conny roof...last time i cleaned it was over 2 years ago now...hot water will make it a lot easier for sure.......

its also a unique selling point....customers love it when they see steam from your brush....a bit like when they used to like suds on the window when we were all trad!

water flow is very good all year round with hot water,windows dry quicker and rinse better....not to mention the warm supple hoses to keep your hands warm and the hose much more manageable.....

if your happy with cold water cleaning then stay that way....rather you than me though lads.....i hate it!

Unique selling point?

[NWH]

Most window cleaners are just happy with what they do I know a few myself who haven’t even gone WFP they can’t be bothered to put the effort in and the effort should have been made at least 10 years ago,1 guy I speak to insists you can’t earn £200 a day every day I spoke to X he said he’s earning 200 a day what a load of rubbish blah blah blah.
He never takes on new work he sticks with what he does so he knows what he can do and there’s no way anyone else can earn more than him,if he took his blinkers off and made any effort he would shoot himself because he’s been so lazy.
If I can do 130-150 a day I’m happy he says who am I to argue with him and say to him I didn’t know you were finishing at 10-30 these days 🤣🤣🤣🤣😘🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾🍾

[NWH]

Everyone knows hot water is the gold standard why do you want a 35-40k van attitude if you ask me it’s only a workhorse,yeah righty O.
If I turned up tomorrow morning and handed all these doubters the keys to a 40k van with heated seats air con state of the art sat nav with a hot water system in the back they’d all have a change of heart 👌,no doubt whatsoever.

[Splash & dash]

Everyone knows hot water is the gold standard why do you want a 35-40k van attitude if you ask me it’s only a workhorse,yeah righty O.
If I turned up tomorrow morning and handed all these doubters the keys to a 40k van with heated seats air con state of the art sat nav with a hot water system in the back they’d all have a change of heart 👌,no doubt whatsoever.

Have you been looking at my vans again 😂😂

[NWH]

Lol yeah makes me laugh no one wants it until they can buy it.

[Smudger]

Everyone knows hot water is the gold standard why do you want a 35-40k van attitude if you ask me it’s only a workhorse,yeah righty O.
If I turned up tomorrow morning and handed all these doubters the keys to a 40k van with heated seats air con state of the art sat nav with a hot water system in the back they’d all have a change of heart 👌,no doubt whatsoever.

Really !  a statement from a guy that openly admits he doesn't clean the windows properly if he's running late 

Darran

[NWH]

Those that employ from the local Zoo won’t agree a rust bucket with used bath water in the back will do,a hybrid pole with a brush that looks like it’s been driven over buy an articulated lorry will suffice 🤣🤣.
What do you mean you need a new brush get out and clean me 30 houses lol.