[DASERVICES]

  Bit the bullet and have taken on a young lad but have found I'm going round
  correcting his mistakes so not making any money fom him yet. He did have the
  cheek to ask when he will be on £9 hr, which I said will take a long while.

  Prob I see is he cannot hold the pole steadily when extended, seems to
  waver about. Also I show him what to do and it seems not to click, mind you he
  is 18. He is a good worker and I suppose it will take time.

  How long does it take to train newbees before you see the benifit. Any tips
  would be great apart from go and get some muscles 

   Doug
 
 

[ronaldo]

The best way to look at it Doug, is how long did it take you to learn and go off that as a sort of guide.

But the best peice of advice i,ll offer you Doug and its only my opinon and i am speaking through experiance is stay on your own its a whole lot less hassle and if your mega busy from time to time just get yourself some retired chap to help you, i find this works great for me.

[Moderator David@stives]

its not how long you took to learn, it is , is he the right one to train, I went through a few before i finally found some one suitable and even now 12 months on, i am appalled at the state of there work sometimes, wfp and trad, last week i did a nursing home wfp tops and he followed trad on the bottoms,

when i had finished i went round and looked at his work and it was atrocious, nearly every frame had soap drips from the top, even after 12 months of training this is what you get.   I am suprised i have not been sacked off any jobs through it yet.

That one is a complete mystery

[rosskesava]

In two words - a nightmare.

We started him 3 weeks ago on £10 a day for a month to see how he gets on.

Now he wants £15 a day even though he is slowing us all down.

Today I found myself going around after him and doing the things we were intending him to do as he does them soooo slow.

Still, he is 17 and a sociable kid and is amenable. Maybe there is hope. We havn't let him loose working alone and he seems sensible and is polite to customers unlike the last kid who was all attitude and who I often wanted to thump.

What is so just complex about wiping around the frames and the sills? It's a simple enough request.

What we done this time for this kid was to buy him all his own equipment - mop, BOAB, squeegie etc. Seems to make a difference.

There is hope for this one.

Dave

I am suprised i have not been sacked off any jobs through it yet.

I know that feeling so well. Sometimes..... best not go there....

[gaza]

Ross :tHOUGHT THE SLAVE TRADE had finished £10 a day 
ROSS:pay peanuts get monkeys

gaza

[Paul Coleman]

In two words - a nightmare.

We started him 3 weeks ago on £10 a day for a month to see how he gets on.

Now he wants £15 a day even though he is slowing us all down.

Today I found myself going around after him and doing the things we were intending him to do as he does them soooo slow.

Still, he is 17 and a sociable kid and is amenable. Maybe there is hope. We havn't let him loose working alone and he seems sensible and is polite to customers unlike the last kid who was all attitude and who I often wanted to thump.

What is so just complex about wiping around the frames and the sills? It's a simple enough request.

What we done this time for this kid was to buy him all his own equipment - mop, BOAB, squeegie etc. Seems to make a difference.

There is hope for this one.

Dave

I am suprised i have not been sacked off any jobs through it yet.

I know that feeling so well. Sometimes..... best not go there....

I'm surprised he bothers getting out of bed to earn that.
Of course it was a jesty, tongue-in-cheek posting - wasn't it? (I hope).

[pjulk]

Now he wants £15 a day even though he is slowing us all down

Even that is below the minimum wage which is £3.00 ph for someone under 18.

Paul

[DASERVICES]

  What a day he broke a plant pot after I warned about them and lost my
  squeegie. It seems to go in one ear and out the other, he does work hard
  though which is a plus side. Just needs a bit of commen sense.

  Employing him is also turning out to be a nightmare, you can no longer
  take someone on as self employed. You have to employ them which
  means giving them sick pay, holiday pay etc..

  The only help you can get is with new deal ( triage in Scotland ) where they
  will pay £50 towards his wages for the first 26 weeks. They do however pay the
  costs towards the Ionics courses to train them.

  If I could have taken him on as self employed then life would have been easier
  but this is complicating things.

  The plus side I now have 1 day spare a week.

  Doug

[rosskesava]

Ross :tHOUGHT THE SLAVE TRADE had finished £10 a day 
ROSS:pay peanuts get monkeys

gaza

I suppose it is really.

The reason it's so low is that we are seeing how he gets on for a month and if ok then we'll make it up and back date his money at the end of the 4 weeks so it works out at £5 ph.

He worked with me today and I did less work than I would have on my own which is why he being paid so little at present. Still he seems to be doing ok apart from not wiping the sill. I don't get what is so complex about such a simple instruction.

[shammy davis jnr]

tell him its a playstation simulation game and you might get the results
i always start my new boys with two off my top boys and they send him to patio windows round the back of houses by the time they are round he should have done them ...they point out  where he went wrong and tell him to do it again ..then move on to the nxt one...
rather than ball them out  one off my men go round and ethier check our do it a gain and say they were lining the door they just done  dont slow you down that much,after two days,he will be able to at least clean a window . if my main men get on with him i tell them to take him round there rounds for a few weeks
and its amazing the results when they work with your top team they dont no any beter than to motor all the work and get the rewards plus your own staff feel important that they have trained them  thats my boy
where if they worked with me i would loose it big time  for the slightest thing  but your staff has got to be good and they tell the young boy that they were on  penny sweets when they first started out but work hard and it wont go un noticed  by the gaffer  lol  as ringo once said (its all in the mind you know )