thanks for all the reply's some really good points I must point out that I am not his employee he was asking for a favour I was once in his position the guy I asked for help wanted more which I paid no bother just wanted to know if things had got any better i forgot to mention that I have a hot wash system he wanted me to pay for half the gas bottle any way ive since spoke to the guy and politely declined and thats that I aint having the pish taken