[Richard iSparkle]

you need to make some changes..

1. start working in the rain and whatever the weather. only stop working when it is dangerous to work. offer a rain guarantee to your customers.
2. start working your staff harder. my guys work 8 hour days and are expected to clean  32 x 3 bed semis(or the equivalent)  each in this time.
3. you'll probably need new staff to make these changes as getting them to work harder for the same amount of money will be extremely hard.

good luck!

One person cleans 32? Wow! There's a guy on Facebook cleans that sort of number, but he's around a fiver a house.

Exactly there's one in my area as well, when your going through that many properties a day your quality isn't going to
be worth much more.

the quality is fine thanks and our price is at the high end of average for our area.

we have been cleaning for 6 years to this standard and have a lot of long standing customers.

you get this fast by having the right staff, having the right efficient setup, and training the staff properly.

in the first  year i didn't hit these levels but once i got on the tools myself, found out the speed you can work at, and then got new staff who I trained myself and we've been doing it ever since

[Leeds]

Has anyone thought of paying an hourly rate and just giving the employee X amount of £s work to do in the day.

I.e. In 6 hours I expect you to clean this amount of houses for £8 an hour. If you don't, (without good reason - as specified in contract) the difference will be minused from your wage.

I think that's fair.

For a start you cant pay them less than the minimum hourly wage no matter what they achieve, but what you have described
is just another bonus scheme and therefore will have all the problems that come with bonuses.
For example lets say the employee has a target of 20 properties but gets off to a bad start so wont reach the required amount,
not much incentive left other than to faff about for the rest of the day and get the minimum amount anyway, or worse forget
about quality and take shortcuts to pull the amount back hoping the customers wont notice or complain.

What's a "bad start"? If it's legitimate, then they have nothing to worry about. If it's a hangover, then they'll keep working till they've hit their target, even if they don't get paid for it.

[cgh window cleaning]

When i employed one of my now franchisees, i was paying him 40% of turnover. I always guaranteed £1250 worth of work each week, so he did very well from it. When i first took someone on it was on a 60/40 split in their favour which was ridiculous.

I wouldn't pay anyone more than 30%, knowing what can be achieved in a day.

Is 30% with you supplying van,fuel,equipment,water and paying there tax,ni and insurance or do you sub it out at 30% with them supplying.

[Smudger]

As with Richard 32 semi's is not unattainable, we work on turnover per hour as our rounds are very varied but if we had a day of semi's £8 each all my guys would do this in a day

Darran

[8weekly]

As with Richard 32 semi's is not unattainable, we work on turnover per hour as our rounds are very varied but if we had a day of semi's £8 each all my guys would do this in a day

Darran

There's no such thing as an £8 semi here.

[Smudger]

So what do you have then??

Darran

[8weekly]

So what do you have then??

Darran

Nothing as keenly priced as that. A flat's £15. I guess I or any one could knock out 6 2 bed semis (6 windows) on a modern estate an hour, but on anything else I can't see it.

[SeanK]

My parents should have named me Thomas as there are certain things I would need to see with my own eyes before I
would believe them, 32 three bed semis all cleaned to a decent standard by one person in a working day would be one of them.
Plus as I was nearly crucified on here for daring to suggest that an employee should be able to do the same as the business owner
what target would they be hitting 40 a day.

[Tom-01]

My parents should have named me Thomas as there are certain things I would need to see with my own eyes before I
would believe them, 32 three bed semis all cleaned to a decent standard by one person in a working day would be one of them.
Plus as I was nearly crucified on here for daring to suggest that an employee should be able to do the same as the business owner
what target would they be hitting 40 a day.

I agree, once up to speed they should be able to do the same in a day. I'm off now until next Tuesday, just done the work lists for my colleague and he's doing exactly what I know I can achieve each day.

[Smudger]

8 wky, if you have nothing that keenly priced then your turnover per day should be well above mine - fair play to you 👍

I don't have a day of 32 semi's our top qty day is 29 - around 24 are semi's and 5 others that are 4 and 5 bed detached finishing off with a period Manor House - all other days are mixed but turnover exceeds that of the £8 semi day example.

All my employees can clean more than I can in a day 

To doubt ? Well that's upto you, it's a sad world, or is it person that can not accept anything because they can't do it themselves.

As always I am happy to offer my opinion, that is exactly what it is, just based on what I have done/do. But you say it can't be done therefore I bow to your all encompassing knowledge

Darran

[Edge Clean]

My parents should have named me Thomas as there are certain things I would need to see with my own eyes before I
would believe them, 32 three bed semis all cleaned to a decent standard by one person in a working day would be one of them.
Plus as I was nearly crucified on here for daring to suggest that an employee should be able to do the same as the business owner
what target would they be hitting 40 a day.

Sean, your welcome to pop up and come out for a day, in Scotland with my lads (sons).

We don't scrimp on quality, we do all windows, doors, frames and sills using Trad.

My lads are capable of doing 30 houses a day each day in day out, this can take them anywhere from 5 hours to 8 hours a day to complete, depending on their mood for the day and the compactness of the round, oh and we are talking £5 houses here.

Their daily target is £150 each of which we go 50/50 and they meet their own running cost, which are minimal as we ditched the van a year ago and now walk round, it is amazing how much time is saved due to not having to load/unload van several times a day.

And if you do come you can compare my standards of work against the local big boy, who expects his crew to do a minimum of 50 houses at £4/£4.50 using wfp each a day (KS Cleaning May know who I am referring to here), the standard of their work is so poor that the trad lads in the area have taken well over 1000 jobs of this team, simply because they are under pressure to perform and reach targets so corners and whole windows get cut.

Am I happy with my £75 a day I get from my lads ? Yes

Are they happy earning £75 a day? Yes

These figures will son be £90 a day as I am in process of upping prices to £6

OR they can drop their daily target to 25 jobs to get same money.

[Tony dunmall]

Hi guys

I Just wouldn't want to do that many semis in a day, don't have a need and the more I read on here of the prices there are around the country I really take my hat of too how hard some guys work to earn a living

Down here 3 bed semi range from £15-20 on average my price is £20 on a six weekly £25 12 weekly

if I did 15 every day down here I'd be pleasantly  content and earn a really good living of three staff

[Smudger]

Bear in mind like most things there are 3 bed semi's like my mums 1930's house, big windows, landing windows, pantry window etc... Then you have the 3 bed semi of the modern era, typically 3 and a door at the front, possibly ( quite rarely ) 3 and a door at the rear and all those in between.

Just like parts of the country, prices have a range, a chap near me charges £3 for a semi - ask him and he would say that's the best price you could get in this area, ( another doubting Thomas )

I always tried not to knock anyone for what charge, people need to be comfortable about what they charge, and be happy with that. - I just get irritated by the dogmatic ones who think things can't be done because they can't/won't try it.

Darran

[Richard iSparkle]

Just like parts of the country, prices have a range, a chap near me charges £3 for a semi - ask him and he would say that's the best price you could get in this area, ( another doubting Thomas )

Darran

i had a new client last month, quoted her £15:50 over the phone for her house, she was surprised as her previous window cleaner only charged  £5. i explained a little bit about window cleaners and pricing, and then about our service and she gave me her bank details to set up a DD there and then. paid double for her first clean too.

some people are happy to pay £5, but would be fine about paying more modern prices. people who choose to be our customers don't mind paying a modern price.

[Mick Kent]

I always payed 25 percent of what was done with staff which worked realy well.
Now i sub work out and take a 25 percent cut which again works realy well.

[NWH]

20-30 houses a day is no where needed down these neck of the woods,you can quote £25-30 for a 3 bed semi every day of the week and get them,these discussions on here regarding prices and money earned are not comparable it's a lot easier to run it as a profitable business down south as the number of jobs you need to hit in a day are a fraction of the amount you'll need in other areas of the country. In a lot of cases although you would never do it you could send a worker out to do 6-7 houses a day and earn over and above what you'd need to cover your costs,this job is all about quality not quantity in my book I would dread looking in my book thinking I've got to knock out 25-30 houses today to do my money. This was my point when stating some people take on any job with glass in it,the fact is a lot of employers need the turnover of jobs per day-week so they will clean a £30 job for £15 because it's purely a numbers game for them they need the work. IMO it's not newbies driving the price down its people employing or franchising work out going in at silly low prices because at the end of the day they arnt on the tools cleaning it.

[KS Cleaning]

My parents should have named me Thomas as there are certain things I would need to see with my own eyes before I
would believe them, 32 three bed semis all cleaned to a decent standard by one person in a working day would be one of them.
Plus as I was nearly crucified on here for daring to suggest that an employee should be able to do the same as the business owner
what target would they be hitting 40 a day.

Sean, your welcome to pop up and come out for a day, in Scotland with my lads (sons).

We don't scrimp on quality, we do all windows, doors, frames and sills using Trad.

My lads are capable of doing 30 houses a day each day in day out, this can take them anywhere from 5 hours to 8 hours a day to complete, depending on their mood for the day and the compactness of the round, oh and we are talking £5 houses here.

Their daily target is £150 each of which we go 50/50 and they meet their own running cost, which are minimal as we ditched the van a year ago and now walk round, it is amazing how much time is saved due to not having to load/unload van several times a day.

And if you do come you can compare my standards of work against the local big boy, who expects his crew to do a minimum of 50 houses at £4/£4.50 using wfp each a day (KS Cleaning May know who I am referring to here), the standard of their work is so poor that the trad lads in the area have taken well over 1000 jobs of this team, simply because they are under pressure to perform and reach targets so corners and whole windows get cut.

Am I happy with my £75 a day I get from my lads ? Yes

Are they happy earning £75 a day? Yes

These figures will son be £90 a day as I am in process of upping prices to £6

OR they can drop their daily target to 25 jobs to get same money.

Yes I know who you are referring to

[sunshine windows]

Is 30% with you supplying van,fuel,equipment,water and paying there tax,ni and insurance or do you sub it out at 30% with them supplying.

That would be full time employment, so supplying everything and paying out 30% wages. I don't employ though.

There are so many reasonable ways to pay staff and hit large profits. Performance bonuses etc.

I think I'd probably go the minimum wage route, with added bonuses if I were to employ. If you pay a set wage regardless, you need one hell of a grafter

[NWH]

The best way IMO is no complaints bonus and a hitting the target bonus,it's obvious that you need to put in place a no complaints bonus otherwise if they are on minimum wage or just above it by only giving them a work done bonus they will be running losing more work than there doing.