[Matt.]

Hello guys

A new customer has just asked me if I can get some accreditations, inc iso9001, safe contractor and another two,  I can't think off the top of me head.

Is there a company in the north west who I could use to do these accreditations, or anyone who can point me in the right direction, that's had experience in this department

Thanks
matt

[8weekly]

The new customer must be worth a lot to even consider that sort of effort.

[Marc Stock]

The new customer must be worth a lot to even consider that sort of effort.

ISO Accreditation is expensive. I wouldn't bother to be honest. Unless they can promise you a contract, youl be out of pocket over it and its more hassle and paperwork

[Matt.]

It's worth it guys honest, av said no to this in the past coz I know it's a load of poo, but with this one it's defo worth it.
If I can get these accreditations it means am the main provider for the list of works I have offered them in exchange for these accreditations. Which will pay for itselfs in no time and will go down as expenses.

I had a little look on the net today but was hoping someone with experience may be able to point me in the right direction, there's a company on the net ....... I think they was sks window cleaning and he had basically everyone that I need but he was down South.

[cgh window cleaning]

Safe contractor is just form filling and checking auditing your health & safety procedures  deepending on how many staff you have will cost around £240  personally there's no point paying someone to do this for you.
iOS is very expensive they come to your office and asses every thing your business does .

[Matt.]

Av not looked into safe contractor yet but av sorted this iso9001 out. An ye it's exactly how u says they come out assess ya business see how things are blah blah an go threw rigmaroles.
This company is based down south an they want £750 plus vat and an annual service charge of £440 plus vat.
It's a bummer really but needs must so if I can't find a cheaper one al have to take a slap in the face an get on with it.

[Smudger]

Don't forget all the paperwork, training manuals etc you will have to provide for them to look at

Darran

[Matt.]

Don't forget all the paperwork, training manuals etc you will have to provide for them to look at

Darran

Ya just killed me moment there Darran 

They did say u have to keep records of everything an bits an bobs, an the more staff u have the worse it gets.
There's nothing I can do al just have to face it head on and take wot problems come along, av found another on the internet that charges £550 plus vat but will have to see wot the annual charges are before making a decision.

The joys of life hey

[Nick Day]

ISO is nothing to do with the quality of your work. It is all about bookkeeping, you will probably be expected to employ a person just to keep your bookwork up to date.
When companies ask for this it is often  to distract from the fact that they are poor payers.
Ask the previous contractor, you may be in for a surprise.

[cgh window cleaning]

If a company is asking for specific accreditations like iOS ,safecontractor,chas,constructionline etc,why are they asking a contractor who doesn't have them and not continuing with there present  cleaning company.

As far as I was aware the cost was a lot higher than what you have been quoted  my mate has a electrical company and his accreditations cost him thousands but he does employ so may be why it's so high.

iOS  will audit your office on it quality and procedures and I think it has to be renewed yearly they look at everything your business does.

Chas,safecontractor ,iosh are all just health and safety accreditations and are more relivent to window cleaning.

[Matt.]

Cgh
I think your pretty much spot, this new company am doing work for isn't looking to bump me when it comes to paying, it's all to do with h&s on the sites,
I have a company that I have done work for prob 15-20 years, they have asked me in the past to become ios9001 and I have said al look into it, now that am getting it sorted av spoke with them this afternoon and there well pleased about it, and this company has always paid me within 30 days every time I send an invoice.
 

For small businesses

[Smudger]

I have a feeling Matt already does the cleaning, but some office wallah maybe justifying their job.

9001 is a about quality, and procedures and records being in the aircraft industry everything had to be put down on paper and a procedure written, if you get a company to do this then it will be thousands the prices quoted are for checking this ( more on the first visit because you have to show them how your procedures work  example - pureifing water, who's qualified to operate the RO, what do you use to check the quality, cert to prove its calibrated ( more cost to have you tds meter tested ) filter changes when who why paperwork signed training book written - resin storage - testing - paperwork, a procedure to show what happens when the reading is above acceptable levels - where the water is stored, is it safe what happens if there is a leak ? Where's the mop ? Safety signs to show slippery floor another procedure and training paperwork - all this just to produce water, now you will have to do this for every aspect of your company's activities ...

It's so complicated that yes you may need an employee to keep it all upto date.

It's total overkill, something for multinationals to waste millions on like sigma six etc...

Safe contractor should be sufficient for any cleaning biz

Darran

[Smudger]

If they are that happy - get them to pay

Darran

[Dave Willis]

Just hope you don't actually have to write anything.

[LT carpet cleaning]

Just hope you don't actually have to write anything.

 

You jest, but I assure you an auditor would go through your quality manual (I assume the op has one?) and may well raise a non conformance based on bad grammar.

OP, do you have a training plan? Calibration certificates, a regular audit plan? A supplier audit plan? Regular documentation reviews? Etc etc.

[Matt.]

Am not a pen pusher or a key board warrior, ( sorry Dave using iPhone so tend to write as i would text, wasn't aware it was a spelling test ) but I do understand that I will have to make changes to the way things are done as far paper work side goes.

Spoke with this company on Friday an they reassured me there are 7 fields I have to have in order, once there up and running ( an that's set up by them ) it's quite easy to manage.

As for all the training, quality manual and other bits go ...... Of course I have suton ( something ) in place ....... But they have also said they will go through wot ( what ) I have in place an ammend it as we go.

The annual audit is there to help u, but as I was told by them on Friday as I am a small company this can be done over the internet, providing all paper work is upto date.

For me it's simple, get ISO accredited = get more work off this new company 

[Smurf]

Does make me laugh Matt that some office walla has no idea how much hassle this is going to put you through let alone the cost just because he/she thinks it's a good idea for you to have the credentials they speak of. 

Now you've told them your going to do it.
Good luck with that one 

[Matt.]

Smurf

Am limited to wot I can put up on here, send me an email and al be able to explain.

Mattlogan@btinternet.com

[Smurf]

Matt, I know where you are going with this so no need to explain further.

Still you have to figure out if the cost & hassle it's going to put you through is going to be worth it in the end to expand your business and turnover in the commercial sector. Only you can be a judge of that.