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Roland S

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110v gutter vac
« on: August 25, 2015, 10:37:10 pm »
does anyone know of a source for a decent, cheap 3000w gutter vac? i use a 240w but got a minor shock from unplugging with wet hands in the rain yesterday. the vac i use is IP rated but obviously the extension reel isn't. i have to work in the rain sometimes and so i think i ought to buy a 110v one rather than risk dying lol. anyone got any suggestions, needs to be good value,

Smurf

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2015, 11:10:53 pm »
Shocking  ;D

Might help if  you unplug it from the mains power socket with dry hands  after turning the plug socket switch off  ::)roll
You can also use IP44 rated outdoor sockets and cable extentions with an rcd instead of 3 pin plug on your vac an standard extention reel.

samson

Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2015, 11:39:49 pm »
Skyvac is very good , not cheap though 😜

Smurf

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2015, 11:45:05 pm »
I used 110 volt vacs for a while and hated having to lug the blooddy heavy stepdown transformers about  ::)roll
I've never had a shock yet from using a 240 volt vac in the rain...Wearing rubber gloves & wellies might be the reason why who knows  ;D

Roland S

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2015, 11:55:21 pm »
Shocking  ;D

Might help if  you unplug it from the mains power socket with dry hands  after turning the plug socket switch off  ::)roll
You can also use IP44 rated outdoor sockets and cable extentions with an rcd instead of 3 pin plug on your vac an standard extention reel.

My hands were dryish it was unplugging from a cable extension reel not a mains socket. Trust me I've cleaned  1000's of gutters and this was the first time and it was only a mild buzz.  But I don't want to risk death next time. Also it doesnt matter how careful you are if the machine develops an electrical fault and its raining you could be a gonner. also I might have a job at a hospital coming up and assume they will probably insist on 110v. So thought I would kill two birds with one stone.

Roland S

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2015, 12:02:06 am »
Skyvac is very good , not cheap though 😜

Thanks, just looked at that. Nice machine but   :o crazy price lol. I was looking to pay a fraction of that price.

Smurf

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2015, 12:08:52 am »
110 vacs seem to be more espensive for some reason so expect to pay more for one

samson

Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2015, 01:03:49 am »
Skyvac is very good , not cheap though 😜

Thanks, just looked at that. Nice machine but   :o crazy price lol. I was looking to pay a fraction of that price.
Worth every single penny  ;D

Kev Martin

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2015, 01:32:54 am »
You will get a shock just the same from a 110v as you will from a 240v Vac and it will or could kill you.  The answer is total site safety and care, not to step down to a 110v so you get less of a shock.  Good quality rubber tail waterproof plugs and a good rcd.  I have been using 240volt wet vacs on site for over 10 years and provided you follow the rules and observe safety the risk is absolutely minimum.  When was your machine last PAT tested?  Ultimately it doesn't matter how  hard  you wince if you still insist on 110volt then simply be prepared to get your money out.  Have you ever wondered why all  other Countries in  Europe use 220-240volt?
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Roland S

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2015, 12:49:35 pm »
You will get a shock just the same from a 110v as you will from a 240v Vac and it will or could kill you.  The answer is total site safety and care, not to step down to a 110v so you get less of a shock.  Good quality rubber tail waterproof plugs and a good rcd.  I have been using 240volt wet vacs on site for over 10 years and provided you follow the rules and observe safety the risk is absolutely minimum.  When was your machine last PAT tested?  Ultimately it doesn't matter how  hard  you wince if you still insist on 110volt then simply be prepared to get your money out.  Have you ever wondered why all  other Countries in  Europe use 220-240volt?

You only get a 55v shock from a 110v machine as opposed to the full 240v running off mains, so that's 20% of the current running through you as opposed to mains electric so you're chances of surviving when wet are massively increased. Hencec why site tools are generally 110v. Regarding pat tests that only tells you the machine is safe at that point in time, it doesn't prevent a fault developing within the next 12 months or a cable getting damaged without noticing or something. However I don't bother pat testing I just buy a new machine every year.

Regarding wincing, I don't mind paying a bit extra but £1400+vat seems a tad excessive. There must be a good 110v VAC about for less than £500 somewhere hence my question.

Ben Marriott

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2015, 01:34:45 pm »
Soteco do the 650M in 110v which is about £500 quids i think - http://www.dualpumps.co.uk/products/ISSA640M-110V__Soteco_ISSA640_Wet_Dry_Vacuum_Cleaner

You would have to modify to suit what you want though - I'd get a sky vac or space vac - or ask omnipole - or ask Kevin :D
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JandS

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2015, 01:37:32 pm »
Only 38mm inlet and hose, needs to be at least 50mm for effect.
Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

Kev Martin

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2015, 01:39:16 pm »
Roland

If it is your desire to cut down the chances of getting a belt from a 240 Volt then £1400 is nothing!  Every time we have to get a 110 Volt machine from someone the costs rocket and they never perform as well.  Every time I ask for a 110 volt machine both the Italians and the Germans just start rubbing their hands together!  In fact the Americans prefer to buy 230 volt Grinders and Vacs from me rather than buying 110 Volt in their own Country.

The UK interpretation of site rules has got totally out of proportion!  What HSE actually say is you should wherever possible use Cordless Tools  Then they go on to say 110 Volt is safer than 230/240 Volt!  OK this is a fact and its true of course it is safer to use less voltage.  However, what you gain in safety you lose in production and as you can well appreciate both Wet Vacuums and Wet Grinding Machines are designed to work near, in or around water!  We are to my knowledge the only Country that use 110 Volts in Europe and having worked in Germany and knowing the German System the way I do,  I am convinced if it were safer and just as productive then the Germans would be one of the first to utilise 110 Volts.  In fact the total opposite is true they tend to use 3 Phase 380 Volts ;D  The sad fact is that most producers of good machines only manufactur them as standard in 220-240 Volts and they charge significantly more for 110 Volt machines so if you want one that is of any use you have to pay the premium price!
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Kev Martin

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2015, 01:48:45 pm »
Soteco do the 650M in 110v which is about £500 quids i think - http://www.dualpumps.co.uk/products/ISSA640M-110V__Soteco_ISSA640_Wet_Dry_Vacuum_Cleaner

You would have to modify to suit what you want though - I'd get a sky vac or space vac - or ask omnipole - or ask Kevin :D

Ben

We sell Vacs from as little as £100 up to £15K.  I can supply him with a Soteco 633B Maxvak, Triple Bypass Motors, 3600watt, 110 Volt, Waterlift 2500mmH20, Airflow 645M3/h, 85 Litre Tank on a trolley for £890 + VAT.  The same machine in 240 Volt is  £647 + VAT.  240 Volt machine 1 week delivery,  110 volt machine 4 weeks deliverywith a £243+VAT Premium on the price ;D
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Kev Martin

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2015, 01:58:15 pm »
I have just spoken to Klindex I can also get you a 3600 Watt 90 Litre  Triple motor for £699 + Vat in 110 Volt or a 114 Litre for £799 + VAT.  I will need to get them converted by soteco to 50mm inlet as well for £45 + VAT and I can get you a 20% Trade Discount
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Roland S

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2015, 05:43:22 pm »
thanks guys for all the advice. i've taken on board what's been said and have decided to stick with my 240v machine, which i'm very happy in all other respects. i've bought one of those dribox things to keep the extension lead plug dry, and the machine itself is ipx4 rated so hopefully that should be adequate.

thanks again

Smurf

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2015, 05:58:09 pm »
Don't forget an rcd and wear rubber gloves and wellies too just to be on the safe side  ;D

Roland S

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Re: 110v gutter vac
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2015, 06:18:43 pm »
Don't forget an rcd and wear rubber gloves and wellies too just to be on the safe side  ;D

Lol yeah I always use an rcd.