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stuart_clark

  • Posts: 1879
Re: Solutions go detergent
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2015, 04:40:50 pm »
Solutions have been selling detergents for at least five years that I know of ! Bio blast in an enzyme isn't that a detergent ?



Stuart

Shaun_Ashmore

  • Posts: 11382
Re: Solutions go detergent
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2015, 07:04:16 pm »
Nobody has said what it says it does or how it's describe to work?

Steven are you allowed back on nicks forum?

Shaun

gwrightson

  • Posts: 3617
Re: Solutions go detergent
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2015, 09:36:20 pm »

I really can not believe that so many of you can tell the difference between the products you use ::)roll

Can you really tell the difference?  if somebody was to pre spray  with different products on same carpet and you didn't know which was which ,I doubt it very much !!!  would even go as far as saying ,cleaning with hot water only you may not tell ;)

Imho   You get a good result with a product and You believe that's the product for you, similar to the placebo effect.

If I put it another way , your basically saying that carpet cleaning in the past didn't produce the results ::)roll as the latest products were not available. like.

Geoff
who ever said dont knock before u try ,i never tried dog crap but i know i wouldnt like  haha

john martin

  • Posts: 2699
Re: Solutions go detergent
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2015, 10:06:33 pm »

  Did they say whats in this Nitro stuff  ...  i would guess main ingredient is one of the Ester solvents  , 2-butoxyethanol or similar .
 Then perhaps a dash of surfactant and one of the sodium salts .
All of these cleaning products are largely made form the same ( relativly small ) ingredient list  .
Most Brands comparable products are so similar it makes little difference  , as the previous post suggests . 
Certain prespray ingredients might be more efficient in certain soiling conditions though .
Dilution rates are an arbitrary number imo .



clive ware

  • Posts: 540
Re: Solutions go detergent
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2015, 09:34:40 pm »
Shockwave is a prespray and Ultimate Master is a rinse!!

john martin

  • Posts: 2699
Re: Solutions go detergent
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2015, 10:18:24 pm »
Shockwave is a prespray and Ultimate Master is a rinse!!

Because ?   :)
 
Like all these powders they are both mostly sodium carbonate and phosphate  , they both have a small surfactant content  ...  and they both have a small solvent content  .   Shockwave has DPM ester as its solvent and UM has d-limonene as its solvent . 
The other ingredients ...  are they both suppose to have an enzyme content ? ,  and UM has an percarbonate content .  Anything else , antifoam etc is of little relevence .

So both could be a prespray , in the care of UM you would have the solvent , surfactant , oxydizer ,enzymes all working during the dwell /agitation .

The percentage of solvent in both is pretty small , thats why you might use a dedicated prespray seperatly of combined in the mix with the powder to boost it . The concentration of the dedicated prespray would be greater . 
I often prespray with UM ... but i do boost it as desired by adding citrus prespray ( d-limonene content  )
and i also get an ester from mistral ( butyl glycol ) and bung it all in together for the bad stuff .