[oliver collins]

Hi guys

I cleaned a linen mix corded suite with ten cushions on Thursday used surround Encap as a prespray followed by a acid rinse.

Customer called yesterday to say that on the body of the suite namely the outside of the arms and on bottom of the suite there are some brown what look like tide marks !

She was over the moon with the rest of suite as it was perfect

I didn't overwet it!

I thinking is the backing different in the areas and the brown has let he'd through?

I was thinking of using a debrowning treatment followed by rapid drying ?

Any helpful advice welcome

Oliver Rise & Shine Cleaning

[Simon Gerrard]

Sounds like cellulosic browning.
Mix Oxibrite with fibrebuff as per label instructions and add fibre shampoo. Spin the mixture up and then just use only the foam on a Tampico brush and apply it to the affected areas.
This should sort it.

Simon

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Oliver

I would be inclined to use sodium met as it will not take out any background colour and should remove the browning.

Cheers

Doug

[oliver collins]

Hi guys

I have sodium met don't know how to use Oxibrite or what fibre buff is,will research that tonight just wondered why it only happened in a few limited areas

Thanks for your imput guys

[Simon Gerrard]

Just out of interest, how come you used surround to clean it?

Simon

[John Kelly]

Usually caused by uneven drying. Previous advice should sort it. I would advise anyone cleaning Linen or light Cotton suites to always use a cotton cleaner for the job. These have Sodium Met in their makeup and prevent these kind of problems. Chemspec Hatian Cotton Cleaner and Craftex Cotton Cleaner are both excellent products.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi guys

I cleaned a linen mix corded suite with ten cushions on Thursday used surround Encap as a prespray followed by a acid rinse.

Customer called yesterday to say that on the body of the suite namely the outside of the arms and on bottom of the suite there are some brown what look like tide marks !

She was over the moon with the rest of suite as it was perfect

I didn't overwet it!

I thinking is the backing different in the areas and the brown has let he'd through?

I was thinking of using a debrowning treatment followed by rapid drying ?

Any helpful advice welcome

Oliver Rise & Shine Cleaning

Hi Oliver, i would always recommend to use a micelles based cleaner for linen or light cotton suites they are non-caustic, non-corrosive, and you wont have to worry about using an acid rinse after, another helpful tip is after you pre spray the suite with a micelles based cleaner allow 5 minutes dwell time then spray some of the solution onto a Terry microfiber cloth and proceed to agitate the fabric, then use your extraction machine with only hot water in the clean tank without any further cleaning solution, spray and extract until you achieve required results, this method works a treat on all upholstery and there are many janitorial suppliers in the UK who are now promoting colloidal micelles based cleaners.

[John Kelly]

Tadgh, that is misleading advice. Micelle cleaners are usually neutral PH and are diluted with large volumes of water. Water by itself can cause browning on these types of fibre. This is because a lot of the cellulosic fibres still remain within the cloth. Only cleaning with an appropriate acid side product is suitable to prevent these problems arising.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh, that is misleading advice. Micelle cleaners are usually neutral PH and are diluted with large volumes of water. Water by itself can cause browning on these types of fibre. This is because a lot of the cellulosic fibres still remain within the cloth. Only cleaning with an appropriate acid side product is suitable to prevent these problems arising.

Hi John, i had used conventional cleaning chemicals for years and had many problems caused by using them, and will never go back to using those old school technology products, our industry has moved on and thankfully today there are safer and more effective technologies available to clean any surface, the reason i recommended micelles technology for cleaning upholstery, is for one you can use them with confidence knowing that you wont have any problems and i have seen this proof over and over again, now John is this not a forum for sharing our experiences with other members as that is all i am doing, and as you know there are more and more janitorial companies in the UK now stocking and promoting colloidal micelles technology, i wonder why.

[John Kelly]

Tadgh. I am not doubting for one minute the effectiveness and safety of micelle cleaners, we sell them ourselves. However they are not some magic bullet which will deal with every situation effectively.

 This specific problem this thread relates to is caused by the nature of the fabrics concerned and how water effects them. The only sure way of preventing these problems arising with these fabrics is to use an acidic product which locks in any fugitive dyes or cellulosic leaching.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Tadgh. I am not doubting for one minute the effectiveness and safety of micelle cleaners, we sell them ourselves. However they are not some magic bullet which will deal with every situation effectively.

 This specific problem this thread relates to is caused by the nature of the fabrics concerned and how water effects them. The only sure way of preventing these problems arising with these fabrics is to use an acidic product which locks in any fugitive dyes or cellulosic leaching.

I have to say John that we use micelles technology for every situation and i have never had a problem with them, yes there are times when micelles products wont solve a problem, but the method i shared works very well and you do not need an acid rinse afterwards, again i am just sharing my own experience when it comes to cleaning upholstery.

[CleanerCarpets]

Tadgh are you on about MPower and its forms such as Nemesis, Bio Clean etc?

If you are you are wrong, it will not work as you say and a debrowning product is required for sure

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I'd go for a reducing agent and apply by the panel so you don't leave any more tide marks.

Shaun

[oliver collins]

Well I tried using a acidic treatment didn't work at all if anything I think it left a couple of more brown marks   

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Oliver

Did you try sodium met?

Cheers

Doug

[Paul Redden Countryfresh]

Oliver I'm thinking it may be  non-colourfast brown calico fabric underneath
wicking through, so the more it's damp, acidic incl, the more it wicks
I've had this before, and sure enough thats what i found