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Avo

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4040 membrane help
« on: July 15, 2014, 06:26:07 pm »
Getting readings of 48tds from the membrane
Tap pressure 45psi to 50psi 444tds

Should my reading be lower ??
 
Advise anyone please.  ;)

martin hulstone

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2014, 06:51:51 pm »
buy a booster pump, that will lower your tds to around 10. clarke 240 from machine mart at 300 quid are a good buy. run it at about 40% tank 60% drain and it should give you around 200 litres an hour

Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2014, 08:02:55 pm »
Would i be better off getting hf5 instead if it's going

david mark

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2014, 10:10:39 pm »
Did you put membrane in the right way

Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2014, 10:26:48 pm »
It's been in 12 months just not happy with high Tds and killing resin off quicker.. Just wanna no how other peoples 4040 perform.
I've never got below 37 Tds from new but my brother has the same system and gets his down to 15tds from my tap why???

andyM

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 06:53:11 am »
I've got a 4040 which I've been using for nearly a year.
It's a HF4 membrane.
My tap pressure is only about 35 psi (280ppm) and just off of tap pressure I could only get about 35ppm output.
I added a booster pump which got pressure at membrane to 100 psi and got the output down to 7ppm before resin with a good increase in production.
What membrane do you have Avo?
Im just wondering if you do need a booster pump?
One of the Plebs

colin bird

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2014, 07:01:08 am »
It's been in 12 months just not happy with high Tds and killing resin off quicker.. Just wanna no how other peoples 4040 perform.
I've never got below 37 Tds from new but my brother has the same system and gets his down to 15tds from my tap why???
my  tap tds is 270 over the last six years I find ro membrane only last max 18 months max.i have good mains pressure
I recently spoke to pure freedom and asked about booster pump they said yes will reduce tds after ro,but will shorten life of ro,I don't know if that's correct as guys on here say booster pump prolongs ro life
Ps my tds out of ro is 35 ro is 18 months old,going from past experience I will be replacing ro soon

Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2014, 08:40:06 am »
I've got a 4040 which I've been using for nearly a year.
It's a HF4 membrane.
My tap pressure is only about 35 psi (280ppm) and just off of tap pressure I could only get about 35ppm output.
I added a booster pump which got pressure at membrane to 100 psi and got the output down to 7ppm before resin with a good increase in production.
What membrane do you have Avo?
Im just wondering if you do need a booster pump?
im guessing here by comparing with my brothers that I'm running hf4 and his is running hf5 I've never been happy from the off with my systems performance and 48tds is a joke....  :(

That about the norm then 18 months life span??
If so only got 6 months to go  ;D yipeeee

Seriously thou I'm not happy just wanna no what's best to do here.

andyM

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2014, 12:26:09 pm »
If I were you I would seriously consider getting a booster pump.
In my opinion your output tds is unacceptable and uneconomical.
It must be costing you in resin?
I use an 11 ltr resin vessel and have not changed the resin for a year and should get a few more months out of it yet still I reckon.
One of the Plebs

Mick Kent

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2014, 12:40:29 pm »
Im the same avo, pure freedom 4040 and with new membrane i never get it lower than 37 and thats with a booster pump! 350ppm coming in Im not sure if its something pure freedom do that only a certain pressure can be used or what but cant get lower than 37 thats with a hf4 and my recent bought hf5.
Verey disapointed as i here of others getting as low as 2ppm from theres.
Such is life.

Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2014, 03:58:15 pm »
How easy is it to slide out a membrane and check what make and type it is??


Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2014, 08:34:57 pm »
If I were you I would seriously consider getting a booster pump.
In my opinion your output tds is unacceptable and uneconomical.
It must be costing you in resin?
I use an 11 ltr resin vessel and have not changed the resin for a year and should get a few more months out of it yet still I reckon.
dose the booster extend there life or only helps bringing the Tds down?

andyM

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2014, 08:51:29 pm »
I couldn't tell you if a booster pump increases the membrane life?
I've only had my 4040 and booster pump for about a year.
But as I said in my earlier post it will bring the tds down to an acceptable level and will also produce the pure water quicker.
One of the Plebs

Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2014, 08:54:14 pm »
I couldn't tell you if a booster pump increases the membrane life?
I've only had my 4040 and booster pump for about a year.
But as I said in my earlier post it will bring the tds down to an acceptable level and will also produce the pure water quicker.
silly question but do I need to plumb the booster into the house, garden or van andy

andyM

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2014, 09:07:57 pm »
I have a static set-up in the garage fed by an outside tap.
The booster pump I use does require a 230 volt electricity supply:
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cbm240e-1in-multi-stage-230v-booster-pum
My set-up (all in the garage) is as follows:
Hose from outside tap to booster pump to Fibredyne pre-filter to 4040 membrane to DI vessel to static tank.
One of the Plebs

Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2014, 09:14:53 pm »
Yes I was looking at that one last night and this one but what's the difference.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cbm240-1in-multi-stage-water-pump?da=1&TC=SRC-clarke%20cbm240

andyM

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2014, 09:24:54 pm »
Yes I was looking at that one last night and this one but what's the difference.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cbm240-1in-multi-stage-water-pump?da=1&TC=SRC-clarke%20cbm240

The cbm240e has this electronic control unit to maintain constant pressure and a built in dry running cut-out.
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/epc1000-electronic-control-unit

You probably could get along ok without the control unit or add it at a later date if you wanted.

One of the Plebs

Avo

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2014, 09:36:53 pm »
Wicked  ;) I think I'm gonna do it
Going on hol Saturday but doing it the minute I'm bk

What psi will I expect to achive??

Sorry for the million question dude lol

andyM

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Re: 4040 membrane help
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2014, 09:52:18 pm »
With the waste valve set at about 60% waste to 40% pure ratio the pressure gauge on my pre-filter reads 100 psi.
The Clarke is a good pump and made for the job.  ;)
One of the Plebs