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duncan h

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2014, 04:35:53 pm »
Mk 7 transit (11) 2.2 fwd. LWB semi high roof. 6 speed. 36 mpg. It the biggest van on here !!!!!!

Susan Dean (1stclean)

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2014, 04:46:12 pm »
swb 110 transit trend (09 reg 6speed)1200 lt tank two man set up two massive ladders and gutter vacs ect driver drives it like he stole it 24.7 when I drive it 34 mpg

exlwb hitop sprinter 316 its over the top buy around 400 kgs again my son drives it flat out 13-16 mpg  ;D
when I drive it 27 mpg

ldv maxus hitop long wheel base running 6kg over weight 31 all day long with a good driver

SB Cleaning

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2014, 05:22:34 pm »
Got a Primastar 2.0 115 62 plate always fully loaded with ladders on top as well. A mix of round town and A road driving returns 31-33 mpg in the summer and 28-29 in the winter. I'm getting 500-600 miles out of the tank which is about £100 to fill.

Window cleaning isn't great for fuel economy though. Always loaded to the max constantly stopping and starting, rarely getting the engine to temperature, ladders creating resistence, split charging a second battery and so on.  I had a ranger and I'd be lucky to get 300 miles to the tank.

Simon.
I have the same van and it returns the same as Simons.

Simon Mess

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2014, 06:25:44 pm »
For those who have not said, it helps to know what it is you are driving ::)roll ;D

My transit connect (lwb 230 tdci 90ps) gets 39-40mpg average. I don't thrash it and rarely go more than 60mph.

I used to run a 3.5t swb high roof iveco daily, the 2.3 96bhp version. It gave me 29mpg average, which i didnt think was bad at all given its shape!

I hope my new connect has figures like yours.
Ducato, about £110 to fill and about 450 miles. I only fill it once a month.
Tony

Hey Tony, if it is the new model, you SHOULD(!) easily beat my figure as ford are banging on about it being the most economical van in its class, whereas the old model, like mine, was nowhere near the top of the economy tables!.

I used to go on the transit forum, and going by what i've read, what i get is about as good as you are likely to get with this model, especially given the 500l tank, and the constant stop start driving!. I was amazed at how low the mpg was from some of the other members, i can only assume they drove like they stole it!

LWC

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2014, 07:55:13 pm »
Wow you guys most go thru some fuel, i got a 2003 plate combo, 1.7di (turbo model), costs about £60 to fill it and i regularly return around 500 miles a tank. Thats roughly 45-50 mpg!

Have a 350 litre water  tank on board and a 2 man setup.

colin bird

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2014, 08:01:56 pm »
Expert 2.0 hdi 61 plate 34000 on clock had from new ,with 500l water,poles and hose.
I get 30 to the gallon around town,thought I would get more.

Best I've had when empty on a long run,mostly on motorway 40 to the gallon,but was treating the accelerator like it was an egg

Matt.

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2014, 08:13:06 pm »
Renault trafic 2.0 litre - 29 mpg
I do carry ladders and have quite a heavy roof rack,

Fuel bill is a killer as I do a lot of miles,

Mike #1

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2014, 05:13:24 am »
about 30mpg £60.00 does me 285 miles Mitsubishi L200 Trojan 2.5 injection . Mike

EandM

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2014, 10:53:55 pm »
My Ranger 28.03 mpg today - a personal best and down to the hot weather and driving very slowly carefully.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2014, 10:56:33 pm »
My Ranger 28.03 mpg today - a personal best and down to the hot weather and driving very carefully like an old woman.

Fixed that for you.


EandM

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2014, 11:48:33 pm »
My Ranger 28.03 mpg today - a personal best and down to the hot weather and driving very carefully like an old woman.

Fixed that for you.



I should probably be irked - but sadly you're not far from the truth  ;D

Simon Mess

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2014, 12:32:54 pm »
My Ranger 28.03 mpg today - a personal best and down to the hot weather and driving very slowly carefully.

 ???, don't understand this, also sherwood cleaning from the 1st page suggested the same thing.

Hot weather, and heat in general makes an engine less efficient, not more. The reason being, cold air is denser, so more can be sucked in per combustion, which means the engine produces more power, which in turn means you don't have to use so much throttle for the same result.


Lee GLS

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2014, 12:52:46 pm »
My Ranger 28.03 mpg today - a personal best and down to the hot weather and driving very slowly carefully.

 ???, don't understand this, also sherwood cleaning from the 1st page suggested the same thing.

Hot weather, and heat in general makes an engine less efficient, not more. The reason being, cold air is denser, so more can be sucked in per combustion, which means the engine produces more power, which in turn means you don't have to use so much throttle for the same result.



Engines run more efficiently in the summer because an engine runs at its most efficient when hot, so in the summer it does not take as long for the engine to heat up there for can run more efficiently quicker than in the winter.

If you ever had an old petrol car with a manual choke, in the winter in would need to be left in choke a lot longer in the winter than in the summer, so it would be putting more fuel in the engine. The same us true with modern engines but it is all done electronically.

You are right about colder air being denser and that will make the vehicle accelerate quicker but more air entering the engine just means the engine will have to add more fuel to compensate for the extra air that is being burnt.

EandM

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2014, 10:29:03 pm »
My Ranger 28.03 mpg today - a personal best and down to the hot weather and driving very slowly carefully.

 ???, don't understand this, also sherwood cleaning from the 1st page suggested the same thing.

Hot weather, and heat in general makes an engine less efficient, not more. The reason being, cold air is denser, so more can be sucked in per combustion, which means the engine produces more power, which in turn means you don't have to use so much throttle for the same result.



Yes and no.
On a normal car yes. My Capri goes better in the Autumn in cooler, more dense air. In the case of my truck, which is geared down considerably so use of more or less throttle is irrelevant as is speed, it comes down to ambient operating temperature as Lee says. It means it's up to temperature much quicker, doesn't cool down as much between jobs, you're not running any heating or using any headlights but mostly the engine oil, gearbox oil, transfer box oil and diff oil remain much more fluid and reduce friction. It's small stuff but with an mpg like mine it's becomes very noticeable.

I've just put the accounts in on Friday and completed my actual fuel record for the year:

I had a worse mpg of 24.41 in December and a best of 28.03 in June / July.

Same mileage, same jobs, same load, same driver, same style (slow!), different temperatures.

A couple of years back my parents went up to Northern Scotland in June in their 406 hdi and at 3c the mpg was around 48-52 with my dad's usual ambling. After three days the temperature jumped to 25c and the mpg into the low 60's.

SherwoodCleaningSe

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Re: Your vans mpg
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2014, 10:48:46 pm »
My Ranger 28.03 mpg today - a personal best and down to the hot weather and driving very slowly carefully.

 ???, don't understand this, also sherwood cleaning from the 1st page suggested the same thing.

Hot weather, and heat in general makes an engine less efficient, not more. The reason being, cold air is denser, so more can be sucked in per combustion, which means the engine produces more power, which in turn means you don't have to use so much throttle for the same result.



Cold air is denser so you get more oxygen in the mix, that's why modern turbo cars have intercoolers.  So on a cold winters day a hot engine will kick out more power than in the summer.  However it will take a lot longer for an engine to get to optimal operating temperature in the winter as has already been said. 

My skoda (please no jokes) tells me the engine oil temperature which levels out at 83C but can go higher and if I look at the MPG this increases with the oil temperature.  Please note that there is a massive difference between engine oil temperature and coolant temperature, just because a van kicks warm air into the cab it doesn't mean the engine is hot.

A warm engine is simply a lot more efficient.  In the winter a lot of journeys will be made where your van never gets up to temperature and will there for not reach peak efficiency.

Simon.