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Cliff perkins

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4040 float valve shut off
« on: July 16, 2013, 03:16:35 am »
Hi
What ways do you guys use to automatically shut of your reverse osmosis systems.
Mine is always failing and want to improve it.
Any pics and links helpfull
Cheers cliff
Www.1stglasswindowcleaning.co.uk

Spruce

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Re: 4040 float valve shut off
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 08:31:06 am »
We use a submersible pump float switch which is wired 'the other way round' to a sub pump.

We purchased this from Machinemart about 6 years ago. Whilst it only activates a 230v normal off solenoid valve, it is rated at 8 amps so will be ok to switch a 230v booster pump on and off at the same time.

Ours is mounted in the top of our ibc tank. We have used a 300m plastic tube (conduit) that extends down into the tank that acts as a pivot for the cable and float head to operate.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Cliff perkins

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Re: 4040 float valve shut off
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 11:09:50 pm »
Hi spruce
Id love to see a few pics of this setup.
Either put them on here or email them to me if u get a chance please.
Cheers cliff :)
Www.1stglasswindowcleaning.co.uk

Spruce

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Re: 4040 float valve shut off
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 08:18:56 pm »
Hi Cliff

I can't take photos as this is in my IBC tank.

We bought the glands

http://www.screwfix.com/p/tower-male-comp-gland-white-25mm-pack-of-2/72655   (for illustration purposes)

and we bought some conduit that will push into the end of the glands. We found with trial and error that we needed about 300mm of conduit. We also found that the conduit was a tight fit in the gland so we didn't need plastic glue (cement) to fix it permanently.  One of the glands doesn't need its cable seal or nuts as it will act as a pivot for the cable going to the float switch. The other gland will need its rubber seal as this will hold the cable tight and prevent the float valve pulling it through. Drill a hole in the top of the ibc tank that is big enough to push the gland up from inside. We drilled a hole in the high section toward the back to give room for the float valve to work. We found the best way was to assemble everything and then fit it into the hole through the IBC screw top.

Float valve from Machine Mart

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/float-switch-230v-2m-cable?da=1&TC=SRC-float+valve

The float switch came with a wiring diagram. It allows you to choose how you want the float switch to work. The idea is to have enough cable attached to the float switch to hold it vertically under the water just as the ibc tank is full. If you 'shorten' the length of cable, then the tank will not be quite as full. Once you get it adjusted right the gland outside the tank will hold the cable secure when you tighten it.

I wired this to a junction box and also wired in the wires from the Normally off solenoid valve to the same box. A nearby socket provides the power and is also wired into this junction box.
So when the tank is empty the solenoid switch will be hanging in the ibc tank and will be on. Current will pass through the float switch to the coil of the solenoid valve, activating it and opening the valve so mains water will pass into the r/o filling the ibc with pure water. Once water level reaches the float switch, the float switch will float on top of the water. But as the water level rises it will then be held in check and so will turn from a horiontal to a vertical position which will cut the switch. Once the power is cut, the solenoid valve will automatically close, switching off the mains water supply.

A booster pump can be added to this circuit so the float switch will activate and deactivate the booster pump at the same time it activates and deactivates the solenoid valve.

What I like about this is that we have to take about 300 litres from the ibc tank before the float switch will activate. This means that the r/o always runs for sometime, which is its most efficient way - no stop/starts.

For security sake, we also fitted an overflow flange and hose into the side of the ibc tank which will take any overflow to the drain outside the garage where our tank is situated.

If the lads come in and fill up the float switch works on it's own without supervision. When we had the slower 450GPD system the tank might only be full at 3 o'clock in the morning - but we didn't have to worry about that. It just switched off at whatever time it was full.

Its worked perfectly on our 450GPD r/o and also works perfectly on our 4040 r/o.  

Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Paul Coleman

Re: 4040 float valve shut off
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 08:36:38 pm »
http://www.buyaparcel.com/pageview.php?page=show_image&ecommerce_image=2701_thread.jpg

plus a non electric float valve in the tank.
Gives double cover.  Set the battery powered timer for a bit less than total tank fill.  If you misjudge it and the tank fills before the timer stops the flow, the float valve gets pushed up by the water and any surplus runs to waste rather than flooding.
I've used this succesfully for quite a while.  Beats power cuts as it's battery operated (batteries last over a year).  Totally independent from float valve in tank.  My system is not pumped.  May have to do it differently if pumped.