[WGB]

Does anyone do this? Was thinking of taking a more canvassing approach to my business and employing someone to do most of the cleaning. was thinking canvassing 3 days and clean 2. Dont think i would have time or energy to canvass after a days work, have tryed it before but very hard to get motivated after a days work, and have other things to do in evening. Im sole trader at the min and would like to build as fast as i can. Any advice welcome. Wayne.

[roundbuilder]

I like your bottom tagline.
Listen.... Get a canvasser out with you while your cleaning in the day or when you do finish work and the last thing you want to do is canvass have someone who relys on the canvassing for your round to earn there extra money which will motivate you to go out.. Its what i do and have done it like this for years.
Or employ lads to work your business and you just full time canvass effectivly rapid growing building a new round every 2-4 months.. If thought out and planned properly, with the motivation and drive to go out and hit the doors there would be no end to how big a business could be achieved... I was going to do that but 2 rounds are enough for me, im going to get back into canvassing building others up instead of the stress of multiple rounds and chasing money 24/7!.

[Crystal-clear]

Cool
What are you charging mick, 2x for a paying customer lead or how many cleans guarantee ? If there is a dreaded guarantee!

[WGB]

Glad u like it mick quote from Napolian Hill think and grow rich, brill book would recommend it to anyone who has a business. So u work during day and canvass in eve mick? If so fair play to u. Would like to canvass from 4-8 every day if i got a decent lad on the poles, would have time to keep him right durning day too, shouldnt be long building up a good custy base then.

[roundbuilder]

Yea x2 and no guarantee. Id obviously refund if customer last min changes mind and also not charge for 1 off's but they would be the only refunds unless i got 3x where id guarantee them for 2 cleans. It wouldnt make logical sence to deliberatly con someone and give them a load of rubbish work as id want to be used again to gain more in the future for them.
Id give a list of confirmed customers wanting a window cleaner not a list of customer details to phone to see if they want 1.
Its not something i want to do full time but a bit of canvassing work keeps me in the game and helps the canvassers earn some extra money.

[roundbuilder]

Glad u like it mick quote from Napolian Hill think and grow rich, brill book would recommend it to anyone who has a business. So u work during day and canvass in eve mick? If so fair play to u. Would like to canvass from 4-8 every day if i got a decent lad on the poles, would have time to keep him right durning day too, shouldnt be long building up a good custy base then.

Im going to get it on kindle now.. Cheers.
Yes i work in the day 8-3 and canvass 5.30-8. I only canvass twice a week and sometimes on a sunday. The way i canvass best and keep motivated is to do it by being under pressure!. Eg someone else depending on the work, it gives me a reason to not say i cant be bothered tonight..

[Crystal-clear]

Good that you are doing it again as I know you got a well established team
Break down the price a bit more

So 200% for every customer who stays for a 2nd clean as a one off would be someone who says regular on the door then cancels so those are free?

0.00% for a customer who changes there mind or who pays and cancels or who pays then pretends they want a regular service until next time when they scream no no no!!

I recon £10 per paying customer is the way to go no guarantees cos what will happen if you are hit with a 50% cancelation after the first clean which is getting very common these days by the way I'm sure you are aware of the problems

[Carl@Cwc]

u probably have  heard or listened to mick, but anthony robbins is an unbelievable listen.
personal power 2 is unreal.
if you dont have it ill link u up to listen to.
most days /nearly all ( even now) i listen to it and you pick up some real gems/conditioning.

[roundbuilder]

No a one off would be when they sign they want a 1 off, i just give them to the cleaner as a bonus as not worth charging for and makes up for any small probs that arise. With my canvassing forms i get customer to sign weather they want 4/8 weekly. 1off clean or giving cleaner a trial (if they do a good enough job or not)which is the main box they tick. By doing this it make it easy to determine who is at fault cleaner or canvasser to discuss refunds. Sadly with wfp unless the clean is to customer satisfaction they will see it as a fail and cancal there and then which is the main reason for the cancelations as many just arnt thorough enough on first cleans.
I did a days canvass for a bloke on here a few years ago mentioning no names who had the right hump because 70% cancalled but when i rung them they all said he did a rubish job and came across rude.Nothing to do with the canvassing. Another was with someone else i had a naughty canvasser on board who upped all the prices by min£2 and some upto £5 to what he said to the customer so i had to refund after making the queery phonecalls.
As for charging £10 per new customer it wouldnt be worth anyones time do do it like that even though i half agree with you as it does take 4 months plus to work out how good of customer they will be but who is going to pay x4 for a 4 month guarantee so a happy middle is defo the x2.

[Crystal-clear]

Problem is customers will lie lie and lie just to get that dirt of there window !

Getting a one off for £15 ain't too hard if you walk away with A tenner from the windy and let them know half of these will cancel no matter what you do and make your self a Fiver profit after paying wages it ain't too bad I see how 200% is more worth it but expect problems

People won't mind paying a tenner for one offs its paying say £40 for a £20 job that took the windy ages cos they havnt been done in years then window cleaner gets a pat on the back cheers for that mate see you in 3 years all of a sudden your phones blowing up and someone wants a refund

[roundbuilder]

Its all in the area targetted to canvass. I dont generally get those problems. If a custy says they want a window cleaner then i find they normally mean it. I only target bought houses as a rule. People that own a 200k plus house will 9 times out of 10 want a window cleaner. Knocking on council/housing or even rented houses asks for trouble and would drop the retention rate a great deal so keep it simple and safe for the best and fair return by canvassing bought houses in decent areas away from the riff raff. I have built my whole business on this formula and has worked magic for me.
I rarely ever got under 70% retention for canvassing for other people so the figures and proof is in the pudding.
For a good profitable regular business target the right properties.. Simple.
If i rented a house i wouldnt be as bothered to have it looking tip top as i do owning one. If i had a council house id more than likely just have them done as and when now and again. If i was housing assosiation i prob wouldnt be able to afford to have a window cleaner. For all the negative examples they would all mess about to get a 1 off clean so they can see out there windows again untill they are black 2 or 3 years time where they will do the same thing again.

[roundbuilder]

Paying x2 is a great investment. 8k for a 52k a year business??? Yes please. How many jobs that dont take 5 plus years to develop yourself to get half of that are there these days that are safe and ressesion proof??. It realy is a cracking way to a better life(after losing the stigma attached to being a windie lol).
Which is why i cant work out why someone would pay 10k to join a franchise and then still hand over 20% as a royalty.
I paid x3.5 to pds canvassing to get my first 1k of work 10 years ago which my gf at the time and family and friends thought i was mad for doing but funny thing is i still have nearly all of that work plus another 3k in and around that same area on top of it from recomendations and canvassing hear and there over the years and earn double more than the doubter family and friends who were against me buying into a window cleaning round, turns out it was a great move.