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[GQC] Tim

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Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« on: September 03, 2012, 10:00:22 am »
I know ideally you want the exhaust to go straight up, but really don't want to have a mushroom vent again on my new van. As I no longer have a roof rack/ladders it will stick out like a sore thumb.

The Hotwash sensor is bypassed, so I'm not worried about CO2 levels in the van, I just care about the exhausting of the hot air as it condensates like mad otherwise. Pretty certain modern boilers can actually go through a 180 degree bend as long as the specified total length of the exhaust flue isn't exceeded.  

I've seen a member called ACS cleaning having it go down through the floor, and said he had no problems. Just wondering if anyone else does this.

Other option would be to get a carbon fibre roof scoop as you see on rally cars and flip it around 180 degrees. Not cheap but would cope with the heat and would be low profile.

I'm just using cold water at the moment and it's a pain.


Nathanael Jones

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 02:25:29 pm »
Unless you use a boiler with a forced venting system (A fan blowing the fumes down the exhaust) this is a very bad idea. Inside the fogwash is not sealed,.. if the fumes can't escape through the exhaust easily then they'll come out the sides/back of the unit instead & it won't be long before your boiler will go out from lack of oxygen in the van.

Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 03:08:08 pm »
and if your system does have a venting fan then that sucker will be the first thing to go!

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 04:37:06 pm »
Unless you use a boiler with a forced venting system (A fan blowing the fumes down the exhaust) this is a very bad idea. Inside the fogwash is not sealed,.. if the fumes can't escape through the exhaust easily then they'll come out the sides/back of the unit instead & it won't be long before your boiler will go out from lack of oxygen in the van.

True about the Hotwash, but I'd have a hard time believing it would run out of oxygen, because a van is never hermetically sealed, with plenty of vents for obvious reasons. I've got 3 big vents in the rear pillars that indirectly connect with the outside air. That's not even counting the cab. So I don't think it will actually go out from lack of Oxygen. I've also got a hole in the van floor to feed the hose through. From his posts (ACS) it works just fine. Would be interesting to hear his experience. It would all boil down to (excuse the pun) whether the exhaust fumes would go through the duct well enough. I will be getting a new flue somewhere this week anyway, would be easy enough to test this.

Dave Willis

Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 05:41:56 pm »
Why do they fit a co2 trip switch then?
Also how can you not be worried about co2 levels in the van? After all you're the guy who's going to sit in there and breathe any fumes.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 09:02:24 pm »
Why do they fit a co2 trip switch then?
Also how can you not be worried about co2 levels in the van? After all you're the guy who's going to sit in there and breathe any fumes.

The clue is in what the hotwash really is. It's not really necessary to say more.
About the van and CO2 levels, you are not serious are you?  :)

Dave Willis

Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 09:45:49 pm »
Yes.
Middle of winter, windows up no bulkhead just been working with a faulty boiler and you drive off. Can't be good can it?
I would have thought hot gasses would rise rather than sink to the floor and out of the van that way. The fogwash I have isn't particularly well sealed at the vent so I would imagine much of the gas would come back through the gap at the top. I don't think it's simply hot air that comes out of the exhaust.
Obviously you have made your mind up so carry on.  ;)


"Burned LPG creates deadly carbon monoxide emissions. Never use LPG appliances indoors without approved ventilation. Be cautious of LPG powered lifts while working in areas like warehouses, freezers, container vans or any other environment with limited ventilation."

Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 10:55:56 pm »
I am thinking a Flaming  Hot unit to the back door of my van I will not cutting any hole in the roof

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 10:39:56 am »
Yes.
Middle of winter, windows up no bulkhead just been working with a faulty boiler and you drive off. Can't be good can it?
I would have thought hot gasses would rise rather than sink to the floor and out of the van that way. The fogwash I have isn't particularly well sealed at the vent so I would imagine much of the gas would come back through the gap at the top. I don't think it's simply hot air that comes out of the exhaust.
Obviously you have made your mind up so carry on.  ;)


"Burned LPG creates deadly carbon monoxide emissions. Never use LPG appliances indoors without approved ventilation. Be cautious of LPG powered lifts while working in areas like warehouses, freezers, container vans or any other environment with limited ventilation."


Okay, maybe I wasn't clear enough Mark.

According to some people, using LPG heaters is the most dangerous thing you can do, and if you don't die from a ball of fire consuming the entire van, you will die a horrible death from toxic fumes or fall asleep in the van never to wake up again. I would not be here typing to you if any of the above were true in my case. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people should be using a hotwash without proper ventilation, but things shouldn't be exaggerated.

The CO2 sensor trips almost all the time, and that is with a enlarged flue going straight up through a mushroom vent. Even though the van is properly ventilated and exhaust gases go out of the van almost immediately. Even with the back doors open, this happened frequently to me. Many people find this to be a problem, including me, and have therefore bypassed the CO2 sensor. This in no way makes the boiler a faulty boiler.

If I would be using the hotwash as it was designed to be used, as a shower, in an enclosed space with little ventilation, standing in the same room for 20 min having a nice wash, I would leave the sensor in place. I'm not crazy.

I'm not actually in the van having a kip when the heater is on full wack either, I am obviously out working. The van is practically swiss cheese when it comes to ventilation to begin with. According to some people, just opening the back door and sticking my head in would calmly put me to sleep or die on the spot (lol) Heaven forbid actually stepping in the cab area and driving off! I've been working well over a year with the hotwash and there is no danger in that way, not in my van at least. I did not even have a bulkhead in my old van. I invested a lot of money in a Grippamax system just for personal safety, I'm not about to put my life in danger in any other way.

I also did not say that I would be using a 180 degree bend without testing it properly and without worrying about my personal safety. I said (among other things) :

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It would all boil down to (excuse the pun) whether the exhaust fumes would go through the duct well enough. I will be getting a new flue somewhere this week anyway, would be easy enough to test this.

This is easy to test, as results of the exhaust fumes not clearing the 180 degree bend are easy enough to diagnose. As I said, I'm not overly concerned about ventilation due to the van being ventilated properly. I appreciate the risk of an excess of fumes building up, and if that is the case I'm not using the 180 degree bend that way. I am at the other hand not worried about the CO2 sensor tripping, as in most situations, that happens anyway.

Again, I'm not condoning or promoting modifying the heater or using it without proper ventilation.

As obviously other people are using a 180 degree bend without any problems, I was at least interested in how they get on.

But thanks for your concern.




Alex Wingrove

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 04:38:18 pm »
To be fair Tim I have seen you many a time asleep in your van with you feet and head poking out of the doors, instead of working.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 05:01:34 pm »
To be fair Tim I have seen you many a time asleep in your van with you feet and head poking out of the doors, instead of working.

Ha ha.  ;D

Dave Willis

Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 05:17:19 pm »
Like I said you've made up your mind.
I too have a fogwash but I wouldn't try to vent mine in the opposite direction to the way it was intended.
Nat is probably the most experienced diy heater installer. I'd be inclined to listen to him and take advice.

Alex Wingrove

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2012, 05:26:52 pm »
I would go for the roof purely based on the fact that I wouldn't want a hole in my floor, other than that, cant see a problem

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2012, 06:08:35 pm »
Like I said you've made up your mind.
I too have a fogwash but I wouldn't try to vent mine in the opposite direction to the way it was intended.
Nat is probably the most experienced diy heater installer. I'd be inclined to listen to him and take advice.

I haven't made up my mind at all, did you even read my reply? ???  :-\
Even in my second to last sentence I said :

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I was at least interested in how they get on.

I would go for the roof purely based on the fact that I wouldn't want a hole in my floor, other than that, cant see a problem

Hole in roof, hole in floor, it's a hole no matter how you cut it.  :D

Dave Willis

Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2012, 06:25:43 pm »
Don't bother posting if you don't want to listen  ???

I give up, some people just want to argue.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Hotwash flue exiting through floor.
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2012, 06:29:56 pm »
Don't bother posting if you don't want to listen  ???

I give up, some people just want to argue.

 ???  ???  ???  ???

I don't want to argue at all?

I want to hear from people who actually have vented their hotwash through the floor, and wanted to now how they got on, that was my intention. Hows that for not wanting to listen? I know people have done it successfully before, I just wanted to hear their side of the story. As for some of your comments, they were inaccurate, which I pointed out.

I give up, really I do. Good grief.