I forgot to say i got a 8 rung double normal set for upstairs and a separate single smaller pointer with a rubber top to protect frames for downstairs. I would not personally recommend getting a tall pointer right away if you're just starting out as I have rolled the little one a few times... embarrassing, but a few feet up and its serious! Maybe I'm just clumsy and they are ok, because I've never actually climbed one but that's my thoughts.(^_^). Take care.