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Window Washers

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2012, 01:43:53 am »
Gonna go out on a limb here.

No negatives, if there are you are doing it wrong.  :P  :D
Seriously, if you are wfp and you want to go back to ladders, or you think how wonderful using ladders was there is something wrong. Sure there are more overheads, and you need to know what you are doing, but using wfp outweighs all of that, by a MILE.
Next best thing to using wfp is going hot, as it's much faster.

Any objections to that and I'm happy to answer your views.   ;D
I would like you to explain to me why hot is much faster in the real world ?


easier maybe a little on first cleans, unlikey much faster on maintenance cleans there is only so fast we can move arms. I look forward to your reply Tim as you went out on a limb  ::) :P
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

Ronnie Bryce

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2012, 03:32:50 am »
Another negative thing about WFP, members on CUI go on and on about it.  ;D

Another negative.... so many proclaim how much they earn hoping to get a badge of keyboard honour from others.

Yet another negative, so many lie through their teeth but maybe that is the same for a lot of forums.

I do often wonder how much truth is spoken on this forum and what is just fabrication and just how many are struggling to make the ends meet but on here, they are warriors of the world of WFP.

Me.... I do £500 quid a day etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

Well said Ross, I like this post. I would bet too, that most never pay income tax either. Just my thought's.

dazmond

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2012, 07:19:08 am »
in a confessional mood are we ronnie after a few drinks?have you been out with bumper tonight? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

back on topic the only negative(if you can call it a negative!)is occasionally the odd other window cleaner who i bump into that give me the evil eye when they see me wfpoling!as if ive desecrated their mums grave!!as if ive somehow peed on the great noble art of trad window cleaning with a ladder by getting a pole system!! ;D ;D

the other month i had a guy who has a bigger van than me with a 650L TANK/full system in the back and he came over and said"do you use the pole on all your domestic customers?"i said course i do!!why wouldnt i?his reply was"his domestic customers wouldnt accept the system so he trads them!(3 lads with ladders on one house!).so he has a system doing nothing in the back!!work that one out!! ??? ???
price higher/work harder!

[GQC] Tim

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2012, 08:00:12 am »
I would like you to explain to me why hot is much faster in the real world ?
easier maybe a little on first cleans, unlikey much faster on maintenance cleans there is only so fast we can move arms. I look forward to your reply Tim as you went out on a limb  ::) :P

Yeah no problem. :)

It's true you can only move your arms to a certain speed, but this is what I have found. Using the lightest brush you will be able to work faster for longer. The stronger cleaning power the brush has the higher the weight. With heavier equipment you might keep it up for a number of houses, but the lighter the kit the faster you go. That's quite obvious. Lighter brushes have got usually less cleaning power, so you might actually end up having to do more passes on the glass.

Now the more scrubbing power you have got, theoretically you need to go over the glass less (providing you have the right flow). I use the lightest brush possible, the Xtreme. Which does not have nearly as much scrubbing power as other brushes. But here is the thing.

Even with the Xtreme, properties ranging from 4 to 12 weekly work, I only have to go over the glass once and it's clean. Ditto with the frames. Even on some dirty 4 weekly work, with cold, I quite often had to go over those twice. Especially if there were cobwebs, insect droppings, snail trails. On 6 and 8 weekly work I could rarely go over the glass once and get good results. Even with a flocked DT that would be tricky. If it was hit and miss on some 4 weekly work, it was definitely so on 6 and 8, or even 12 weekly.

With hot 99% of those cleans just require a single pass. So even though you are not twice as fast, I would say ~30% faster is something I see regularly. I am running out of work on most days and have to go home early. I like that. I could not do that with cold. I would recommend to up the flow a notch as you do require higher flow the faster you go. But that's obvious.

On first cleans and any other aspect of cleaning it's even faster.

I thought exactly the same thing that hot didn't have any advantages on regular work, but I must say I have been pleasantly surprised. Getting it set up right was interesting, but worth it.

Like with all aspects of wfp, you give a guy a pole and most likely he won't be as fast as he will be months down the line. You need to make a product work for you, same with Hot, it requires a different mind set, that will come in time. You can be incredibly quick.

Also, in response to some replies on the forum, I'm being a bit controversial perhaps, but I would recommend to most people to just stop worrying as much about what customers think. I'm done in minutes on some properties, but I think, I've spend thousands on my kit, I better reap the results. If they don't like it, it's up to them. Most likely I'm still the best window cleaner they will have. The vast majority of customers see that and are happy to pay my prices. One grumpy old customer said, you must be earning a £100 pounds an hour. (this was with cold, and back then, on that close I barely got £45 an hour) This man must have been the grumpiest person on my round, and I'm diplomatic for a long time. Every time his face was sour grapes. This time I got so fed up I just said to him in a nice, but direct way : "even if I did, it's really none of your business is it?" And without being harsh that's exactly what it is. If I want to go fast, I can, I do a fantastic job, I don't cut corners. Customer aks for clean windows, I give them it. If I'm there for an hour or 10 minutes, it won't change my quality of the clean.

Please don't feel I'm arrogant in the above post, as I'm far from it. But I don't feel I'm doing something immoral just by working harder and faster. A lot of people don't seem to understand the whole concept of working hard and reaping the results. Also has made me able to do more this month, in more ways then one.

dazmond

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2012, 09:04:29 am »
barely making £45 an hour eh tim?god you must be finding it hard trying to scratch a living together!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
price higher/work harder!

[GQC] Tim

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2012, 09:48:52 am »
barely making £45 an hour eh tim?god you must be finding it hard trying to scratch a living together!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Haha, in all seriousness daily averages vary somewhat due to distance between jobs. The figure I quoted is from a few years back. But money earned whilst on site is a bit more reliable.  :)

g.brookes

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2012, 12:23:27 pm »
dont know about anyone else but the biggest negative for me is shoulder pain.  wfp is basically a recipe for repetitive strain.  i know its still a hell of a lot better than falling off your ladders, but i wonder if in 20 years time i'll still be able to look up without searing pain

H S and Son

Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2012, 12:41:51 pm »
20 years on ladders you wouldnt have much movement left in your knees, thats repetitive strain as well.

Matthew JN

Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2012, 02:05:23 pm »
Spray your microbore hose with a rubber lubricant and it never gets stuck

AuRavelling79

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Re: 10 negative things about wfp
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2012, 08:44:51 pm »
Spray your microbore hose with a rubber lubricant and it never gets stuck

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