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GlynE

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Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« on: August 03, 2011, 06:25:27 pm »
Hi All,

Had an old leather dark brown 4 seater settee to clean today, though well worn & quite old. Most of the 4 seated cushions have a stickiness to them, the rear cushions generally are ok, just worn. I was called to do the clean due to its stickiness. Used Solutions "leather cleaner & conditioner" product, the suite was cleaned fairly well, basically using just microfibre cloths but the stickiness remains. I repeated the cleaning process with the same results. Can anybody please advise if it is possible the reverse the stickiness problem and return the suite to a smooth and shiny finish? This was a 1st leather job, so very much a novice in this particular area of cleaning. Thank you in advance for any advice you may provide.

john steel

Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2011, 06:55:41 pm »
I have it on good authority that theese are faux suede and not the real leather, i would clean them with P O G to remove the grease and then rince with an acidic type rince. Job done ;)

GlynE

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2011, 07:25:41 pm »
Have attached photo of item in question

garybristow

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2011, 07:30:01 pm »
you sure john?
garybristowclean

Mike Halliday

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2011, 07:49:05 pm »
unfortunately the top coat has degraded and now needs a full restoration not just  'cleaning'

not a job for a beginner, pass on it

you could get a hairdryer on it then test the overall  condition on the top coat..... but even then you couldn't do anything about it so why bother
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 07:49:47 pm »
Ah the beuti of internet forums for advice.
John where did you come to the conclusion this must be faux suade? Do you know the difference and whilst I'm at it, it's not a good idea to use solvants on faux suade.
Glynn, without seeing it I would suspect you have a coating that is breaking down. The only remedy for this is to strip off the coating and re coat it. Cleaning is not an option

GlynE

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 08:12:21 pm »
Thank you everyone. I wondered if it might be the protective coating that had been worn away. A contact has mentioned that something called "Fix181" might do the trick, but I think I will leave it to the experts...

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 08:12:38 pm »
Yes I have come across this before, the protective top coat or varnish which seals the dye in has degraded and quite possibly the leather is Bicast (% leather % man made) repaired one successfully when I had the late Andy Alcock of LTT on the phone which was tooked between my shoulder and ear as he was explaining what to do and I was doing it.

As Mike says not for a beginner.

Shaun


Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 08:30:33 pm »
Like Shaun i googled fix181 to find it a bicast fixer.
Like the nice little BS story to go with it though. ;D

wynne jones

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 08:41:20 pm »

If you go on any professional training the importance of identifying and assesing damage BEFORE you touch it is stressed and explained.

A customer could easily accuse you of creating the problem and getting it fixed could cost £500+  :(

It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Ian Rochester

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 08:50:28 pm »
From the photo it looks like a possible bicast to me and the problem you mention is typical of these types of suites. 

However I'm sure if you've done a leather course then you've already done the necessary tests to identify the type of leather BEFORE carrying out any cleaning on it.

As Wynne says you could easily cause more problems that you are trying to fix and if it is a bicast and you have delaminated or degraded the top coat, then...................?   

New suite?

Regards

Ian Rochester
Furniture Clinic (Northumberland)
Leather Care & Repair

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2011, 11:32:15 pm »
Anthony if you have a look through my many posts you'll find I've told that story before, you're not Mike Orme again by any chance? 28 posts and comes on as a know-it-all what ever to respect?

This forum is going to the dogs!

Shaun


Jim_77

Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2011, 02:08:27 am »
What's that I hear?

something shouting BICAST!!

closely followed by the sound of footsteps, walking away......

Roger Koh

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 07:05:51 am »
Can anybody please advise if it is possible the reverse the stickiness problem and return the suite to a smooth and shiny finish?

It is possible to rectify the tackiness problem if the cause is due to alkaline over exposure.

The tackiness problem need to be rectified first, prior to restoring back to the smooth and shiny finish which is straight forward with gloss topcoat, follows with a non-stick protector as an option.

What do you think...like to give it a try?

Roger Koh
info@leatherdoctor.com

LTT Leathercare

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2011, 07:07:02 am »
Hello

From the photo this would certainly look like some sort of Bicast leather.  These are usually easily identifiable doing the 5 step process which should be done as a Pre assessment so that you can qualify with your customer the likely outcome and any problem areas.

We answer many enquiries every week about 'sticky' bicasts as this is the way they generally go if they have not been cared for in the correct way.  Body oils are usually the culprit and these attack the PU coating which then breaks down and becomes sticky.  As it is the finish that has failed cleaning will not rectify the problem.  

In this particular case the finish does not look too bad (compared to many we have dealt with) and the level of breakdown in the finish will determine whether anything can be done or not.  There are products that can help reduce the sticky feeling and in some circumstances the finish can be reapplied.  

Fix181 has been around for many years and was certainly not developed as a Bycast
product as it was around before Bycast was invented. It is simply a top finish and may work as long as there are no body oils still present as these could cause adhesion problems.

Hope this helps - give me a ring if you need any further help.

Cheers
Judyb

P.S. Microfibres are not recommended for us when cleaning leather and in this case could actually have made the matter worse.   :(
P.P.S have a course in September if you are interested!!!!!!!  ;D
http://www.lttleathercare.co.uk
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Leather Cleaning, Care and Restoration products and services
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Dave_Lee

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Re: Leather Cleaning - Stickiness on seat cushions
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2011, 05:34:43 pm »
What about a Bi-cast finish that is peeling off in like big fish scales. Only one seat area is affected the rest is fine. Clearly it needs re-finishing, but what with and how do you strip off the original finish first.
Shaun,
Those of us that know you, know you don't have to Google anything to know what a Bi-cast looks like, unlike others.
I suspect a little jealousy on someones part, but then that's to be expected with a business and turnover like yours.
Dave.
Dave Lee, Owner of Deepclean Services
Chorley Lancs. Est 1980.
"Pay Cheap -You get Cheap - Pay a little more and get something Better."