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derek west

Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2010, 04:49:52 pm »
vote me vote me, i'll do it. heres my manifesto......

reign in all the spends to take stock. every penny to be accounted for and anything not needed to be ditched.

then work out costings for the following....

improvements on the website. including putting referals for members first. if you can get your members 2 jobs a year it'll pay for there membership.

increase the range of courses on offer, NCCA only seem to train the newbies. with advanced stain removal being the only advancement.

sue the rug doctor website for false advertising, as jim royal would say "better than a professional my ar$e"

introduce twitter, facebook and other social media pages which can not only be viewed by members, but members customers and none members. social media is not there yet but starting now before its too late is what you call, forwrd thinking, it will happen.

ive got other ideas but thats enough for now and lets face it, wouldn't cost an awful lot would it.

all the best
sir derek sugar. ;D

Doug Holloway

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2010, 04:51:05 pm »
Hi Guys

It was undoubtedly an opportunity missed but we do not know how hard the NCCA tried to be represented and whether as someone has already said, the BBC were determined to follow the 'legal' avenue.

I wonder if they could have had a technical expert from the industry as well as a legal perspective.

The big problem with representation within the CC industry is time, if you are running your own business it is very difficult to dedicate your time to helping others businesses.

Cheers

Doug

wynne jones

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2010, 05:04:20 pm »
The people you see on the tele. The rolled out 'experts' are simply blatant self promoters. You see the same people rolled out all the time. They are on a list. The Producer tells a researcher to get an 'expert' and the researcher sees who is on the list and starts ringing.

So, the chances of an NCCA spokesman getting on there is next to nil as they are not PR savvy and the 'experts' have it sewn up.

The best ones are the 'breaking news' ones as these are the most desperate. Quite often they will talk for a few minutes and if you listen they havn't told you anything you didn't already know. You may remeber the black guy who went on accidently as an 'expert' when in fact he was there for a job interview. They actually talked to him for a good few minutes and it wasn't until after they realised he was some one else.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

clinton

Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2010, 05:12:01 pm »
I saw that one wynne on bbc ;D


Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2010, 07:23:06 pm »
How many times per year does the 'Let's bash the NCCA' topic come up?

And before anyone thinks here comes a supporter I'm not.
The whole CLEAN experience was proof (as I predicted) that this is an unregulated industry where probably 95% of carpet cleaners are one man bands and as such don't give a jot about others across the country.
Strangely enough though when a national incident occurs (insert rogue name) everyone suddenly expects the NCCA to spring to the defence of every carpet cleaner, even if less than 1% pay into it.
Granted the NCCA don't help themselves by setting an exam paper that is nigh on impossible to fail (well at least on the 2nd attempt), and possibly even worse is that you can't sit the exam unless you've done the course first.
But overall we've got what we wanted which is basically nothing.

Would I put myself up for some position within these 'trade organisations' would I Fk. Been there tried that with an alternative to the only trade organisation for window cleaners. Everyone was mouthing off the FWC and said they wanted an alternative. So several of us did just that, but would the mouthy gits sign up when it came to it? NO

Same with the NCCA. Don't knock it unless you're willing to do something to change it.

wynne jones

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2010, 07:42:34 pm »
I agree with a lot of what you said there Neil.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Joe H

Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2010, 08:20:51 pm »
Neil said  "How many times per year does the 'Let's bash the NCCA' topic come up?"

I hav'nt enough fingers.  ;D


Your very right there neil, with your comments

wynne jones

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2010, 09:08:55 pm »
Neil said  "How many times per year does the 'Let's bash the NCCA' topic come up?"

I hav'nt enough fingers.  ;D




You're not from round here then. ;D
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Tony Gill Carpet Smart

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2010, 09:09:40 pm »
NCCA WHO ARE THEY  ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL

Tony
STAY YOUNG HAVE FUN BE HAPPY xx
www.carpetcleanersbridlington.co.uk

wynne jones

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2010, 09:21:17 pm »
Well they are survivors I'll give them that. ;D
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Hilton

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2010, 08:52:20 am »
How many times per year does the 'Let's bash the NCCA' topic come up?

Strangely enough though when a national incident occurs (insert rogue name) everyone suddenly expects the NCCA to spring to the

Haven't read the posts properly have you Neil, 

The point I have made, had you have read it ,is that if the NCCA had got on the programme as they should have, then they could, as other organisations do, emphasised the point that any one considering using a carpet cleaner should only do so if they are members of the NCCA , as they have an approved code of conduct.

As a non member this would not have included us, is this a bash at them for not doing so ? you bet, if I was a member I would feel let down ? yes massively, as you can tell and I'm not a member. The apathy shown by those that are as with the organisation its self highlights all whats wrong with it and why it struggles for members.

The fact is Neil, the NCCA put themselves out there as the regulatory body that represents carpet cleaners and encourages all of us to join, as a consequence they have to expect criticism from time to time when their actions , or lack of it in this case, fall below what their members and prospective members would expect. If I was a member I would have been on to them immediately expecting an explanation as to why they had no representation on the programme or even a statement or any mention that a regulatory body even exists. There is no excuse because as Joe has already pointed out they had been contacted months before hand, so at least the BBC knew of their existence even if 98% of the population dont.

What did the NCCA do according to Joe? Send them a copy of the Code of Conduct,  ::) which once again had no mention. How embarrassing, I bet the producers thought, well they can't be that bothered about Bait & Switch,so we won't bother them again.

This is such an important issue any many of you would be considering joining the NCCA and parting with money for the privilege, I have made it clear that I believe there is a need for a regulatory body but it has to has teeth, do the NCCA even have a PR representative ? if so what do they do.

Would you as a member and a prospective member be prepared to pay more as a fee if they were to appoint paid staff to work full time on your interests ? With the best will in the world in its current form the NCCA will never attract the membership it should or have the national presence it craves. as such these posts by people like me will crop up from time to time and rightly so, I am just surprised (or maybe not) that actual members were not more vocal in the disapproval at the NCCA given that Joe has revealed that they were fully aware that the programme and its contents were due to be broadcast.


oliver collins

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2010, 01:23:29 pm »
Hi Guys

We seem to be going off topic

Are there any members on here who are NCCA members do they
find ot useful in marketing themsleves
 
And are there any of the NCCA HOB NOBS on the site  there must be

Regards Oliver Collins







creighton foyle

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Re: NCCA Membership
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2010, 02:11:30 pm »
even though the ncca would have you think it is a not for profit organisation that is there to represent its members it is in fact a ltd co and as far as i can see us members seem to have no legal rights of the sort you would expect to have in a genuine members only organisation, further more i suspect (but do not know this to be a fact) that the only people who get anything of real worth from the organisation are those who are employed by it either as staff or consultants/trainers.

i wonder how many of the people who attend training courses are actual members at the time they do their particular course, i suspect it would be the majority of them so how does this benefit existing members ?. no i am afraid from what i have seen so far it is a " not for the profit of the members " organisation whilst some others seem to do ok from it

i am a member and see no benefits so far though i will continue my subscription for one more year before making my mind up.