[Dave Roberts]

I see there is a lot of interest in low moisture methods of carpet cleaning on this forum.

Therefore here are the primary benefits, as opposed to water extraction;

Benefits to the Customer & Carpet

- Rotary low moisture methods are proven to have a slower resoiling rate.
- There is virtually no risk of shrinkage, split seams or other damage with rotary LM methods.
- Carpets cleaned with Rotary LM methods are almost always more visually superior after cleaning, than HWE.
- LM solutions are generally more advanced and the technology leads HWE (ie... advanced colloids).
- Carpet are dry significantly faster with rotary LM methods than with HWE.
- Commercial businesses prefer LM rotary because the machinery is much much quieter.
- Most commercial grade carpet has very poor airflow, meaning HWE is not suitable or effective.
- Rotary LM methods are better for the environment; less water, more effective child-safe solutions available.

Benefits to the Operator

- A rotary LM business is MUCH more profitable that HWE; faster workflow, lower consumable costs.
- Less obtrusive equipment; can be operated from a smaller van.
- Say goodbye to your back problems when you move to rotary LM; wands are back killers.
- Rotary LM has marketing benefits that customers WANT; fast dry, safer for the carpet & the family.
- Much lower set up costs.

......it's not hard to see why so many CC'ers are getting more and more interested in these methods (I am not talking about VLM, Dry Compound Cleaning in any of the above, this is Rotary LM methods).  The benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.  A rotary can work in so many different places that a 50Kg water extraction machine can't.

The next time you're in a sweat, humping your beast into the van, consider the above points.

And now, will follow a torrent of abuse and conspiracy theories from the people who want to live in the past, the people who despise change, the people who are happy putting down extremely harmful, allergenic chemicals in rooms occupied by babies & children.    Ignoring the vastly marketable benefits of rotary LM carpet cleaning, they cling on to a method of cleaning carpets that is long past it's peak. a method that the public are learning more about and becomming less tolerable of.

What would you like your business's marketing statement to be?

1. Deep clean; gorgous looking carpets,
2. Excellent stain removal,
3. Low resoiling rate,
4. Child & Pet friendly,
5. NO shrinkage, mold or mildew - Guaranteed,
5. DRY IN 1 HOUR - GUARANTEED,

or.....

1. Carpets steam cleaned (a complete misrepresentation as we all know)
2. Dry in 4 - 12 hours
3. In the event of shrinkage or other damage, we have public liability cover.

........ it's time to wake up.  Even so called HWE hardliners who have verbally attacked and bullied those who dare to do things differently on this forum, are posting on an almost DAILY BASIS with questions about rotary LM methods....... they know it's the way forward and in the words of the Kylie song; they can't get it out of their minds.

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee ........... low moisture carpet cleaning is not just the future, it's the present.   Fail to see that and all you prove is that your ego is more valuable to you than your business.

[expro]

LM.

Brainwashing included or is it an extra?

Expro

[jasonl]

I agree with the above BUT I am still getting a TM soon , after 19 full years of LM, in order that I can vlean the other 20% of carpets which I feel it would benefit from .

Profit will go down , I just want to do it though.

[Colin Day]

A good sales pitch I have to say...

I offer all 3 methods and do agree with a lot of this thread!!!!

[clinton]

I go over some jobs even after hwe with the buffer just to take any residue or just to take some more moisture from the carpet..

Think it gives a finishing touch for the client too

[gwrightson]

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee ........... low moisture carpet cleaning is not just the future, it's the present.   Fail to see that and all you prove is that your ego is more valuable to you than your business.


I think it is your ego that will not allow you to see the benifits of hwe as opposed to lm,

I use a lm method when the situation allows for this method, I use hwe to obtain superior results

I dont have to lump a machine in and out when using hwe.
I dont get a bad back for pushing a wand, i have a glide. perhaps you have a very week back
Who says the solutions are more advance ? your supplier or your indoctrination
Most commercial work is carried out when the building is in operational,  noise not that much of an issue!!

Please dont mention all this crap about the envoiroment " using less water "  really and there are solutions that are friendly using hwe. Water alone been one of them ,

and please ...  lm much visably cleaner then hwe , is that all of the optical brightners in them then ?

i could go on , but i wont   .....  i see your point your trying to make and yes a little %age  of your statments hold a shred of truth , but just because you believe lm is superior dosnt mean to say it is , well it isnt is it .
geoff

[fenman]

WOW.
As a confirmed low moisture cleaner even I would not have dared post this thread.
No cleaning system is 100% better than any other in every circumstance so any sensible carpet cleaner uses what they consider the best option for the carpet they are standing on.
I use LM 95% of the time but on the other 5% it would just not cut it so use HWE.
The massive majority of carpet cleaners use HWE for the simple reason that the general public think that is how carpets are cleaned and before any of us became carpet cleaners we were part of the general public so naturally we invested in Hwe.
All systems have their place ( well maybe not shake and vac or rug doctors ) so comparisons and " my wand is bigger than yours " arguements are pointless.

[derek west]

 

you got your soap box out again dave, tut.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I use a TM with HWE as it's faster, I have been a LM with dry fusion and used it for a long time on domestics as well as dry foam years and years ago, I find that a TM can offer the excellent clean I and my customer is after but is faster than most other systems, people actually ask for me and my big machine.

Shaun

[Steve. Taylor]

What would you like your business's marketing statement to be?


I would like mine to be that i can other all of the above mentioned  and not  keep preaching to others like the people knocking on my door saleing the watch tower books
 
WELL YOU DID ASK 

[richy27]

something always puzzles me but how do you do corners, stairs and tiny rooms eg downstairs toilet with a rotary

[Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)]

My question to you would be .......... how many carpet manufacturers, including the manufacturers of commercial carpets, ONLY recommend HWE cleaning for their carpets, otherwise the warranty is void.

And don't say all of them if you haven't bothered to find out, because I already know the answer to the question .................. that's the benefit of 30 years in the industry, I don't assume - I know.

[Shaun_Ashmore]

You use terry towels to get into the corners and finish off the edges like you do when you finish off after HWE, there are small scrubbers/agitators which can get into small spaces.

Taking the 'attitude' out of the thread, LM has a lot going for it, but on it's own it's not like HWE where it is multi fuctional per cleaning unit.

I'd love to see a LM cleaned by David, not to test to see if I can get more dirt out etc etc, just to see the speed and end result, LM to me nowadays is usually for commercial my marketing is specialised to TM super doopa power cleaning.

Shaun

[Simon Gerrard]

David,
Just out of interest which LM system are you using and what lead you to choose it?

I disagree with much of your post but from my now extensive research into modern LM techniques have now softened my initial cynicism and may well buy into an LM system because as fate would have it we seem to be getting a lot of low profile office work, but certainly wouldn't contemplate using it on my long established customer base which is based on high quality Truck Mount cleaning.

Simon

[gwrightson]

Now why didnt i say that Shaun?

thats all i wanted to say really

Geoff

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Because I have eloquence

Shaun

[gwrightson]

Because I have eloquence

Shaun

Whats that then Shaun ? somebody from Sheffield been articulate, ey up lad ! yull bi tellin us ya fom Lundun before long

[Carpet Dawg]

I see there is a lot of interest in low moisture methods of carpet cleaning on this forum.

Therefore here are the primary benefits, as opposed to water extraction;

Benefits to the Customer & Carpet

- Rotary low moisture methods are proven to have a slower resoiling rate.
- There is virtually no risk of shrinkage, split seams or other damage with rotary LM methods.
- Carpets cleaned with Rotary LM methods are almost always more visually superior after cleaning, than HWE.
- LM solutions are generally more advanced and the technology leads HWE (ie... advanced colloids).
- Carpet are dry significantly faster with rotary LM methods than with HWE.
- Commercial businesses prefer LM rotary because the machinery is much much quieter.
- Most commercial grade carpet has very poor airflow, meaning HWE is not suitable or effective.
- Rotary LM methods are better for the environment; less water, more effective child-safe solutions available.

Benefits to the Operator

- A rotary LM business is MUCH more profitable that HWE; faster workflow, lower consumable costs.
- Less obtrusive equipment; can be operated from a smaller van.
- Say goodbye to your back problems when you move to rotary LM; wands are back killers.
- Rotary LM has marketing benefits that customers WANT; fast dry, safer for the carpet & the family.
- Much lower set up costs.

......it's not hard to see why so many CC'ers are getting more and more interested in these methods (I am not talking about VLM, Dry Compound Cleaning in any of the above, this is Rotary LM methods).  The benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.  A rotary can work in so many different places that a 50Kg water extraction machine can't.

The next time you're in a sweat, humping your beast into the van, consider the above points.

And now, will follow a torrent of abuse and conspiracy theories from the people who want to live in the past, the people who despise change, the people who are happy putting down extremely harmful, allergenic chemicals in rooms occupied by babies & children.    Ignoring the vastly marketable benefits of rotary LM carpet cleaning, they cling on to a method of cleaning carpets that is long past it's peak. a method that the public are learning more about and becomming less tolerable of.

What would you like your business's marketing statement to be?

1. Deep clean; gorgous looking carpets,
2. Excellent stain removal,
3. Low resoiling rate,
4. Child & Pet friendly,
5. NO shrinkage, mold or mildew - Guaranteed,
5. DRY IN 1 HOUR - GUARANTEED,

or.....

1. Carpets steam cleaned (a complete misrepresentation as we all know)
2. Dry in 4 - 12 hours
3. In the event of shrinkage or other damage, we have public liability cover.

........ it's time to wake up.  Even so called HWE hardliners who have verbally attacked and bullied those who dare to do things differently on this forum, are posting on an almost DAILY BASIS with questions about rotary LM methods....... they know it's the way forward and in the words of the Kylie song; they can't get it out of their minds.

It's time to wake up and smell the coffee ........... low moisture carpet cleaning is not just the future, it's the present.   Fail to see that and all you prove is that your ego is more valuable to you than your business.

ZZZZZzzzzzz

[robert meldrum]

Occasionally  : ::)I post to deliberately stimulate debate and mostly to record my personal opinion.

Today I cleaned a regular's house who normally gets done every four months but due to having a multitude of visitors over the past six months skipped a regular clean.
The carpets were unbelieveably dirty and needed every ounce of 400 / 500psi and the extraction of a tweeked Bane Sutorbilt 300 blower through a 2" hose .

Had I turned up prepared to use the rotary I'd have been unable to achieve the fantastic result I got from HWE, but, if I had the latest machines and products from the US it might have been a different story.

For hard to reach parts, corners, etc, you can use a little flat mop with flexible head, the type that lets you attach wipes or cloths or in this case a piece of suitable towelling.

The originators of rotary carpet cleaning ( 1946 ) have supplied such tools for many years.