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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Karens
« Last post by deeege on January 25, 2026, 03:37:26 pm »
Why are they called karens? Anyhow, this game is one of the strangest jobs I have every had. It's nothing like using the ladder and the squeegee because of the reach and speed of getting the job done. When I began using the pole I got nothing but hassle but only had 20 odd customers and every day would be a headache trying to change my customer's opinion on the method. Anyway, 6 years later the pendulum has swung totally from left to right and everyone is happy with the system because windows, pvc and conny's can be cleaned.

But the change in me came when I went over 100 monthly customers, I became the leader instead of the customer. I now have the confidence to walk away and not get involved with time vampires who like this month a new customer told me to skip because its going to rain later on in the day. She won't see me again and will need to find someone else. I also put half of my prices up a £1 and no one has cancelled yet but makes no difference with the amount of work coming in.

The best piece of advice I can give anyone having a Karen as a customer is don't get involved, just don't go back, if they contact you then just say you have a full book. Only wish I knew this years ago because it would have saved me alot of time.

Most of your jobs are £10 or £12 right? How on earth are you getting by if you’ve just hit 100 monthly customers?
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: MAKING TAX DIGITAL - DISCUSSION
« Last post by simon w on January 25, 2026, 03:08:03 pm »
Not sure if this is any use to anyone............



More info :

https://www.sage.com/en-gb/size/self-employed/

https://www.sage.com/en-gb/making-tax-digital/#getstarted

My accountant is suggesting Sage as their prefered choice of software would be good to hear from anyone who has already started using this and what was involved in setting it up and synchronizing your  business bank account to it.
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Karens
« Last post by Scottish Cleaning Service on January 25, 2026, 11:05:16 am »
Why are they called karens? Anyhow, this game is one of the strangest jobs I have every had. It's nothing like using the ladder and the squeegee because of the reach and speed of getting the job done. When I began using the pole I got nothing but hassle but only had 20 odd customers and every day would be a headache trying to change my customer's opinion on the method. Anyway, 6 years later the pendulum has swung totally from left to right and everyone is happy with the system because windows, pvc and conny's can be cleaned.

But the change in me came when I went over 100 monthly customers, I became the leader instead of the customer. I now have the confidence to walk away and not get involved with time vampires who like this month a new customer told me to skip because its going to rain later on in the day. She won't see me again and will need to find someone else. I also put half of my prices up a £1 and no one has cancelled yet but makes no difference with the amount of work coming in.

The best piece of advice I can give anyone having a Karen as a customer is don't get involved, just don't go back, if they contact you then just say you have a full book. Only wish I knew this years ago because it would have saved me alot of time.
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Karens
« Last post by markymark on January 25, 2026, 07:17:35 am »
Mine always has been the ones with the attitude of superiority - you're the flunky who should be grateful for the opportunity to work that they have provided for you. The middle aged ladies who don't work and have no concept of what it costs to run a business and provide a decent incom,  but apparently know what you should be charging. Usually happy to throw in "while you're there could you just...." too.
One last year asked me to clean their conservatory roof, I gave my price - which was low considering it was a glass one covered in algae. First words out were "well you saw me coming, didn't you?"
No I didn't, but that reply said all I needed to know. Quietly dumped and blocked.
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Glass half full?
« Last post by markymark on January 25, 2026, 07:07:01 am »
Good post and good luck with your recovery. It’s sounds like they took a good chunk out of your leg to make sure they got it all.

I’ve also had some similar but less invasive skin cancer surgery, I’m still waiting for another surgery too, doesn’t sound as bad as yours though as I was able to start back at work after 8 days.

It certainly focuses the mind on what’s important in life and what isn’t doesn’t it.

Thanks Deeege, big or small it's not something I'd recommend to others  ;D I hope your next surgery goes OK and with a brief recovery time. I'm finding out tomorrow about the biopsy and if I need anything else to follow on from the surgery. I thought my op would be a similar recovery time, naive thinking on my count there! Still, I've missed the cr4ppy weather hopefully and made myself have a good think about priorities. And last year was the last time I go out in the sun without factor 50 slapped on everywhere  ;D
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Glass half full?
« Last post by markymark on January 25, 2026, 07:01:05 am »
My version of the story was at the age of 45.
I had a heart attack whilst I was in hospital. A customer ring the wife where is he? My windows need cleaning urgently can he come round to clean my windows?
No, he’s in hospital. Oh,
he’s had a serious  heart attack and is in intensive care
Not even a decency of wishing me well or get well soon as most decent folk who would
She said  who’s gonna clean my windows?
Outrageous ..
Swore and slammed  the phone down on the wife
Shocked she told me after I came back from the hospital
Compared to the twenty or so cards and flowers and many phone calls urging me to get well and come back to work when your ready 

I have a theory about the episode
The week before I cleaned a shop sign that was covered in pidgins poop
And breathed some in never going to prove it but there you are you never know what’s round the corner

Yeow - 45 is nothing, and I'm glad you're still here to tell the story - ideal place for a thumbs up emoji here!
 I'm honestly not surprised at the customers attitude though, it seems for every 10 decent well-wishers there is a nutjob lurking out there. The few I've had the misfortune of dealing with have tended to be people (usually but not always ladies) of a certain age and 'position'. Invariably middle class and never really having needed to work, and their life revolves around the minions turning up on demand to clean the windows/mow the lawn/perm the hamster/iron the front drive. The fact you had the temerity to laze around in hospital without checking with them first eh?  ::)roll
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Karens
« Last post by Jonny 87 on January 24, 2026, 03:57:20 pm »
So what's your Karens been up to lately.

I hate those who take to social media slating these 'pole thingies' and is looking for traditional cleans'.  Probably has no idea or no experience in the system, or has a cheap charlie with poor equipment and method.

What's your Karen hate?

Mine have been pretty much weeded out and as I am also pretty much not taking on new customers I hope not to encounter any more Karens.

But I am also aware of the old adage that occasionally a good customer can turn bad (but that a bad customer never turns good).

I agree with this mostly…. However…….. I have got a few customers that were a pain, bad attitude, slow payers etc.

I dropped them, and then when they couldn’t get anyone else to meet their demands either, they then came back on the books and have been good as gold ever since.

Nowt queer as folk as they say. 😅
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Karens
« Last post by AuRavelling79 on January 24, 2026, 09:48:54 am »
So what's your Karens been up to lately.

I hate those who take to social media slating these 'pole thingies' and is looking for traditional cleans'.  Probably has no idea or no experience in the system, or has a cheap charlie with poor equipment and method.

What's your Karen hate?

Mine have been pretty much weeded out and as I am also pretty much not taking on new customers I hope not to encounter any more Karens.

But I am also aware of the old adage that occasionally a good customer can turn bad (but that a bad customer never turns good).
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Window Cleaning Forum / Karens
« Last post by The Jester of Wibbly on January 24, 2026, 09:35:50 am »
So what's your Karens been up to lately.

I hate those who take to social media slating these 'pole thingies' and is looking for traditional cleans'.  Probably has no idea or no experience in the system, or has a cheap charlie with poor equipment and method.

What's your Karen hate?
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Window Cleaning Forum / Re: Glass half full?
« Last post by deeege on January 24, 2026, 07:28:13 am »
Good post and good luck with your recovery. It’s sounds like they took a good chunk out of your leg to make sure they got it all.

I’ve also had some similar but less invasive skin cancer surgery, I’m still waiting for another surgery too, doesn’t sound as bad as yours though as I was able to start back at work after 8 days.

It certainly focuses the mind on what’s important in life and what isn’t doesn’t it.
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