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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: starplus on March 19, 2010, 03:20:22 pm
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Hi,
is anyone of you doing Dry Carpet Cleaning! No water !no dry time!!
What kind of machine does this.
Many Thanks
Sergio
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Host:www.hostdry.com
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or try:www.hostvonschrader.co.uk
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Host machine with granuels
http://www.hostcarpetcleaning.com/comProfessional.htm
My dad used to say "we only clean, clean things" and this system is ok for this
idealrob
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8CTscW3dpI
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Hi,
we have contracts that they are open 24 hours a day 7 days a week and they told us that
they saw this system on another site and they removed all marks and stains !
Is anyone using this at the moment ?
Many Thanks
Sergio
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Richard,
Host system is a joke on it's own (OK if the carpet is clean in the first place) but your post is one step better ;D Fantastic stuf, is it still available?
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yes shake and vac is available in all good supermarkets.
on a serious note dr systems have there place ie situations where no other method is apropriate but custys expectations need to be met and often its not goin to happen. just my opinion.
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nothing wrong with shake and vac. lot of guys out there making good money out of it. and within reason you can achieve good results if done right.
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Is any method dry, i doubt it.
They contain moisture otherwise they wont work.
I usethe envirodri sometimes and have had good results but knowing when it is better to HWE is vital, when i started i spoke with a guy on the south coast who only uses envirodri and had done so for a long time, i experimented on my mums wilton "sorry mum" ;D i used both systems the results were that i was unable to see any difference but this carpet had a heavy pattern it can surprise you how good it can be. but i willnot be selling my Ninja just yet :D
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You can not remove water based stains with any dry cleaning method.
Mark
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Hi
Mark
Yes you can, if we are talking about LM cleaning, only a vac is truely dry.
I have used Envirodri for almost 7 years, solely and I have only come across 1 carpet that I could not clean.
Soot, vomit, students (bless their cottons ::) ) It has all come out.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Which is the best machine (Envirodri or Host)and system and where can i get them.
Many Thanks
Sergio
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http://www.envirodri.com/
This one is the best IMO. I've used both.
Arthur
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The basic Host and Envirodri machines are essentially the same in my opinion - main difference used to be the price (Host a lot more) but they brought out a machine last year which was competative on price with Envirodri.
Host then do machine with a vac pod on top to suck up the dry "sponges".
Other machines on the market are
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/Flexi5
and
http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?productID=660
and
Prochem do something as I saw one at the Carpex exhibition today.
Jm Roffey is correct when he says the dry carpet cleaning is wet, the sponges have a releasing fluid - so they are wet, but can be dry in 30 minutes, then vacummed up. Any prspray to assist the clean must only be light. If applied too heavy the sponges wont have the capacity to soak up the released dirt.
Martin_606 is the dry carpet king on here.
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I rarely promote machines so I cant comment on the Flexi-5 but Best machine on the market TM4 CRB Carpet Cleaner / Fiberdri® TM4 did I tell every one got mine for £300 6mths old
And yes Martin is the dry king asking him about cars ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) :)
Sorry martin could not resist it :)
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My apologies Martin i could not remember you name :-[
Its remarkable what you do i still use it and have a huge amount of sponges yet to use, how do you manage on berbers where you cant get into the pile
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Dry compound cleaning (AKA Very Low Moisture (VLM)) is a valid system with capabilities far beyond what many believe to be the case. In reality, time for a given job may dictate a different system to be used.
IMO, VLM systems are at their best in a commercial environment when they are used in house by the regular daily contract cleaners. For us specialist CCers, we probably wouldn't be prepared to visit premises often enough to use the system to it's best.
Again IMO, VLM is the least demanding of operator knowledge or skills. However, anything more heavily soiled than the beyond the example given above, VLM can become a difficult system to use effectively, so higher skill levels are required with a dollop of patience and a dedication to correct procedures being essential.
Many years ago, I was invited by Host to their HQ in Racine. In nearby Chicago they had a major department store that had WHITE carpets fitted :o They were kept immaculate using the Host system by being cleaned on a daily basis. Not a big ordeal as they only cleaned the areas that had visible soil or spillages. From memory, apart from vaccing, it took less than an hour a day to clean a whole floor and the immaculate white carpet gave them unique advantage over the opposition.
For myself, back in the nineties, I maintained 26 high street banks along with the area office, all to a very high standard, using VLM.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
The Ken
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Is this one a good one (Envirodri Gen4), we are a commercial cleaning contractors at the moment we only have ninjas 400psi.
Where can we order this machines,sponges and granulates in London!!!
And get some training on this !!!
Thanks
Sergio
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Is this one a good one (Envirodri Ge tn4), we are a commercial cleaning contractors at the moment we only have ninjas 400psi.
Where can we order this machines,sponges and granulates in London!!!
And get some training on this !!!
Thanks
Sergio
http://www.carecleanuk.com/shop/ they also hire if you want to try
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Just round the corner from me
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The basic Host and Envirodri machines are essentially the same in my opinion - main difference used to be the price (Host a lot more) but they brought out a machine last year which was competative on price with Envirodri.
Host then do machine with a vac pod on top to suck up the dry "sponges".
Other machines on the market are
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/Flexi5
and
http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/index.php?productID=660
and
Prochem do something as I saw one at the Carpex exhibition today.
Jm Roffey is correct when he says the dry carpet cleaning is wet, the sponges have a releasing fluid - so they are wet, but can be dry in 30 minutes, then vacummed up. Any prspray to assist the clean must only be light. If applied too heavy the sponges wont have the capacity to soak up the released dirt.
Martin_606 is the dry carpet king on here.
Hi Joe Hatton ,
you sold this one (Envirodri Gen4) few days ago and you said that you were going to upgrade.
Which one are you going to buy?
Many Thanks
Sergio
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360 methinks
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nope.
he told me but can't remember, its similar to the flexi 5
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Flexi 6 ;D
Shaun
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Flexi 6 ;D
Shaun
thats the one ;D
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Its the same machine as the Flexi 5, just a different colour and name - Carpetgard.
By upgrade I mean - its got a vac pod on.
So, you can agitate and vac a dry carpet in one go, prespray and agitate with (no vac), then extraction with water.
I managed to get a 2nd hand unit (Shaun ;) - not that I got it off Shaun but he should no what I mean - especially as I mentioned Alan Turner in the CARPEX thread).
The Envirodri is a brill machine. http://www.envirodri.com/
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Is this one a good one (Envirodri Gen4), we are a commercial cleaning contractors at the moment we only have ninjas 400psi.
Where can we order this machines,sponges and granulates in London!!!
And get some training on this !!!
Thanks
Sergio
GHi Sergio
Go direct to source.
www.envirodri.com
Give them a call ask to speak to Gill, say Martin from DryTech in Brighton sent you. They have all sorts of deals. You will need machine, sponges (green tea fragrence) spot remover and prespray.
I have done a few hotels with it, one was so impressed they bought the system... grrr ;)
Thanks for the compliments guys... i'm blushing :-*
Regards
Martin 8)
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Martin said......I have done a few hotels with it, one was so impressed they bought the system... grrr
Thats the problem when you make it look so easy I suppose.
We were talking about just that yesterday at Carpex - the machines, fluids and operator skill can make the job look soooo easy. We were actually discussing the Hruby orbital cleaner and so easy it is to operate, and how commercial customers just may take note of that fact and buy one themselves.
Remember a thread this last week where the cleaning contractor at a place did just that, got to know the fluids used (from safety data sheets) and went and got them themselves.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3nH4UOa-JA
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This was the model on demo at the CARPEX, but with the added heater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvPbzKHMTA&feature=related
Think he had sold 3 on the Thursday, and lots of interest.
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This was the model on demo at the CARPEX, but with the added heater.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvPbzKHMTA&feature=related
Think he had sold 3 on the Thursday, and lots of interest.
In your opinion wich one is a good machine with vac?
Where can I get training on this machines.
Thanks
Sergio
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Ok, sorry, but this thread has gone off its topic a bit
if you looking for very low moisture cleaning then we are loking at the machines pointed out earlier
envirodri
host
TM4
envirodri has no vac
Host has but you can get a Host without
Flexi 5 has a vac
TM4 no vac but has collection boxes available
Here is a You Tube video showing machine similalr to TM4 but they all work the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKiuHsZSnc0&feature=related
You Tube is a good source of info.
if you go on You Tube and
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I think I like the host with vac,
do you now any good supplier.
Many Thanks
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Host / Von Schrader
Incidentally Carpetgard had the Flexi 5 first
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Starplus
You have expensive taste!
The cheapest Host with a vac is about £3400 I think. The Liberator
The Flexi 5 with a vac is about £1800 as is the TM4 with trays.
Host von schrader is in Cheshire, near Chester. You can ask for a demo
http://www.hostvonschrader.co.uk/
Cleansmart in Nottingham may deal in them as well.
http://www.cleansmartsupplies.co.uk/acatalog/HOST_Freestyle_Dry_Carpet_Cleaning_Machines.html
Host was at CARPEX last Thursday & Friday - you should have been there.
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flexi 5 £1800 sounds nice.
did you try this one?
Thanks Joe
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Flexi 5 is a great machine used host at cleansmart dont think it is worth the
money but everyone has there own opinion so go forth and try.IMO look for a good used machine as money could be better spent ie 3 vac porty or used tm
Ryan
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Couple years ago I had a demo of the Host and the Envirodri a week apart on the same carpet.
My budget would only stretch to a non vac machine, but as the machines are very similar in nature I choose the "better value for money" option which was the Envirodri Gen4, the one I just sold.
I have picked up a 2nd hand Carpetgard which is the same as Flexi 5 but a different colour.
Will be using it this coming week for the first time so cannot comment on its effectiveness yet - apart from it does agitate the carpets the same as the Gen4. Its the vac part I need to try on a typical job carpet.
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Thanks Joe,
please let me know next week what do you think about the new one.
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Joe i tried the hos orbot at the show and it was hard to move around and that was on a low profile carpet .I would not like to push that around all day
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Joe I was interested but I have desided to go simple (no comments please) and go for lighter machinery don't want to be lifting heavy equipment now I've turned old.
Shaun
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shook and vacced my hall carpet today and wasn't impressed, guessing i did something wrong.
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Rotaries are supposed to be used with a glider disc which makes them move more easily.............having said that, I found when starting with rotary systems they were more inclined to run away, tan need to be pushed.
I suppose it's like most things... technique's important and has to be learned !
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He Des, try 3 weetabix for breakfast.
Are we talking about the same machine here? I found it very easy to move - as easy as the Cimex I have, and that is easy.
The Hruby literature says it has 2 types of gliders - white for for low profile, black for med to high.
Shaun - the weight is 82lbs so you not wanting to lift it too often.
but I got a pair of ramps to help with the Cimex (and the Prowler when it needs to come out of the van) so major lifting is covered, and the 10" wheels means it will pull up stairs easier then the Cimex - and I have pulled that up one floor of commercial stairs (more of then then domestic).
Robert - it is not like a rotary in the respect it can run away with you on startup. In fact the Hruby can be left by itself (not that you would want to do it) and it will move from its spot very little and ever so gently. No violent torque reaction. I assume this must be because it has the 2 wheels always on the floor. The Cimex is the same - no violent movement. The Cimex is the only cc machine that I dont break out in a sweat working it.
Derek - just depends on how bad your hall carpet was, what you used on it, and of course the proceedure you used.
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Couple years ago I had a demo of the Host and the Envirodri a week apart on the same carpet.
My budget would only stretch to a non vac machine, but as the machines are very similar in nature I choose the "better value for money" option which was the Envirodri Gen4, the one I just sold.
I have picked up a 2nd hand Carpetgard which is the same as Flexi 5 but a different colour.
Will be using it this coming week for the first time so cannot comment on its effectiveness yet - apart from it does agitate the carpets the same as the Gen4. Its the vac part I need to try on a typical job carpet.
Hi Joe Hatton,
did you try it? What do you think?
I had a Envirodri Gen4 demo yesterday on our office in London, and I like the system and the machine but my main decision now is vac or no vac, He told me that the best was going to be the Envirodri Gen4 and the sebo duo,
but if you by the Envirodri Gen4 and the sebo duo is nearly the same money as the flexi 5.
He told us that the flexi 5 is realy heavy?
With the flexi 5 you dont need a sebo duo, the flexi 5 does that?
Many Thanks
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you talking about the Gen4 and Sebo Duo
Do you mean Sebo B36 as the Duo is a light verson of the Gen4 and you dont really want 2 machines.
I think you mean the B36 which is a vac machine.
The Flexi 5 is a heavier machine, but not too much, just abit more difficult to carry although it has 4 wheels so easier to roll.
If you use sponges as in dry carpet cleaning it probably works very well.
What I wanted it to do is agitate a dry carpet and vac all the gunge at the same time. It doesnt do that - sort of spits it back on the carpet, so still need a vac machine.
Looks well made and easy to remove the brushes to clean.
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Hi Joe,
Who sells the HOS in the UK
Many Thanks
Daryl
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you talking about the Gen4 and Sebo Duo
Do you mean Sebo B36 as the Duo is a light verson of the Gen4 and you dont really want 2 machines.
I think you mean the B36 which is a vac machine.
The Flexi 5 is a heavier machine, but not too much, just abit more difficult to carry although it has 4 wheels so easier to roll.
If you use sponges as in dry carpet cleaning it probably works very well.
What I wanted it to do is agitate a dry carpet and vac all the gunge at the same time. It doesnt do that - sort of spits it back on the carpet, so still need a vac machine.
Looks well made and easy to remove the brushes to clean.
Hi Joe Hatton,
so what you mean is even the flexi5 with vac stills need another vac machine ?
Thanks
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I found that the crud the brushes lifts up from the carpet appears to be too big to get to the vacuum chamber - dont forget a vacuum cleaner needs some sort of restricted area to be able to work efficiently.
I am sure however, it will vac dry cleaning sponges when they are dry, as in after a "dry" carpet clean.
After all, that is what they are designed to do - they are fundamentally a dry cleaning machine.
They would need a much more powerful motor, hence more weight, if they were to have a larger area to evacuate.
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He Des, try 3 weetabix for breakfast.
Are we talking about the same machine here? I found it very easy to move - as easy as the Cimex I have, and that is easy.
The Hruby literature says it has 2 types of gliders - white for for low profile, black for med to high.
Shaun - the weight is 82lbs so you not wanting to lift it too often.
but I got a pair of ramps to help with the Cimex (and the Prowler when it needs to come out of the van) so major lifting is covered, and the 10" wheels means it will pull up stairs easier then the Cimex - and I have pulled that up one floor of commercial stairs (more of then then domestic).
Robert - it is not like a rotary in the respect it can run away with you on startup. In fact the Hruby can be left by itself (not that you would want to do it) and it will move from its spot very little and ever so gently. No violent torque reaction. I assume this must be because it has the 2 wheels always on the floor. The Cimex is the same - no violent movement. The Cimex is the only cc machine that I dont break out in a sweat working it.
Derek - just depends on how bad your hall carpet was, what you used on it, and of course the proceedure you used.
what sort of ramps do you use for the cimex? and do you find the cimex handle grips uncomfortable after a whlie?
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I found that the crud the brushes lifts up from the carpet appears to be too big to get to the vacuum chamber - dont forget a vacuum cleaner needs some sort of restricted area to be able to work efficiently.
I am sure however, it will vac dry cleaning sponges when they are dry, as in after a "dry" carpet clean.
After all, that is what they are designed to do - they are fundamentally a dry cleaning machine.
They would need a much more powerful motor, hence more weight, if they were to have a larger area to evacuate.
Hi Joe Hatton,
many thanks for your help,
so do you think that will be better get the Gen4 and sebo?
Thanks
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gen 4 is the dogs doodahs, apparantly ;)
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gen 4 is the dogs doodahs, apparantly ;)
Maybe so never used anything else, but hate having to scrap all the crud out after every job :-X
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I've been commenting on o/p machines for at least three years on here and how they are growing in popularity "across the pond". The main difference between o/p and standard rotary is that o/p machines will not distort carpet pile as they have an aggitating motion similar to an oscillating sander and if used properly ( right pad for carpet type ) give pretty amazing results.
Not suggesting they are better than H/W/E .............but, if I was starting in this business I would be looking at the method of cleaning that would offer ; -
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Starplus
If you want to dig up the rubbish in the carpet then Gen4 will do it very well.
If then you want to vac it up then I would get the Sebo BS36 or BS46, or the Lindhaus vac cleaner.
The Flexi 5 I think would be great on dry carpet cleaning granules/sponges.
Carpetworx
The ramps I use are 2 individual ramps and about 5' long. Will easily take the weight of the Cimex, and hopefully my Prowler when that has to come out of the van.
Re the handles, not really bothered me, but I suppose you could put some foam grips on to help.
Robert
Oscillating Pad machines are big in the USA, that Hruby really impressed me. The guy selling them from UK Cleaning Systems tells me they easily outperform a rotary. If you could get the right amount of commercial work I reckon it would tick all your boxes.
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Starplus
If you want to dig up the rubbish in the carpet then Gen4 will do it very well.
If then you want to vac it up then I would get the Sebo BS36 or BS46, or the Lindhaus vac cleaner.
The Flexi 5 I think would be great on dry carpet cleaning granules/sponges.
Carpetworx
The ramps I use are 2 individual ramps and about 5' long. Will easily take the weight of the Cimex, and hopefully my Prowler when that has to come out of the van.
Re the handles, not really bothered me, but I suppose you could put some foam grips on to help.
Robert
Oscillating Pad machines are big in the USA, that Hruby really impressed me. The guy selling them from UK Cleaning Systems tells me they easily outperform a rotary. If you could get the right amount of commercial work I reckon it would tick all your boxes.
Hi Joe Hatton,
What I want do do is use the Gen4 with sponges (Dry carpet Cleaning).
I want a esy machine for our cleaners at the moment we need always 2 cleaners to work with our 400 Psi ninjas.
what they told me was:
First vac all the area .with bs36.
then aply the sponges.
then pass the Gen4.
and then vac the dry sponges with bs36.
Is this the right procedure or not?
Many Thanks
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Yes right proceedure, but you have to wait for the sponges to dry before you vac up. The Sebo BS36 wont like wet like any vac wont like wet (unless it is a wet vac ;))
Like I said, if you doing dry carpet cleaning with sponges or granules the Flexi 5 should be ok and means only 1 machine being used rather then 2.
Agitate and vac at the same time
apply sponges
agitate (no vac)
wait for sponges to do job and dry
agitate and vac
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Yes right proceedure, but you have to wait for the sponges to dry before you vac up. The Sebo BS36 wont like wet like any vac wont like wet (unless it is a wet vac ;))
Like I said, if you doing dry carpet cleaning with sponges or granules the Flexi 5 should be ok and means only 1 machine being used rather then 2.
Agitate and vac at the same time
apply sponges
agitate (no vac)
wait for sponges to do job and dry
agitate and vac
Hi Joe Hatton
does the sebo bs36 Agitate and vac at the same time?
Regards
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Yes right proceedure, but you have to wait for the sponges to dry before you vac up. The Sebo BS36 wont like wet like any vac wont like wet (unless it is a wet vac ;))
Like I said, if you doing dry carpet cleaning with sponges or granules the Flexi 5 should be ok and means only 1 machine being used rather then 2.
Agitate and vac at the same time
apply sponges
agitate (no vac)
wait for sponges to do job and dry
agitate and vac
Hi Joe Hatton
does the sebo bs36 Agitate and vac at the same time?
Regards
The bs36 is a for dry vacuuming only, dont use it after you have applied pre-spray
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The envirodri demo guy told me that with the sponges you dont need to agitate, only vac and apply sponges!
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The BS36 is an upright vacuum cleaner. It has 2 motors, one to do the vac and one to rotate the brushes on the floor. These brushes do agitate in as much they lift the dirt off the carpet so the suction sucks them up easier.
The BS36 is NOT an agitation machine as you are talking about - its an upright vacuum cleaner that does a good job. It is NOT to be used on anything wet, at least you will have a soggy bag and blocked suction hoses, at worst you will blow the motors or worse (electricity and water dont mix together well at all).
You must have had a different demonstrator guy then I did. Dont understand his reasoning unless technology in the sponges is now different.
The sponges are damp, they have a dirt releasing fluid.
Just sprinkling them onto a carpet is doing very little, only working on the surface.
Agitate them will get them into the carpet and allows the releasing fluid to work around the fibres.
Giving them time to work means the releasing fluid can do its job in releasing the dirt from the fibres which goes into the sponge. The sponge will change colour from straw to shades of grey depending how much dirt in the carpet being released. Only when the sponges are dry do they get vacuumed up. If they still damp they are not going to come out of the carpet easy and they will block up the vac tubes.
Same principle with prespray carpets - spray, agitate, dwell time to let the prespray do its job of breaking down sticky dirt.
Maybe on the demo you had, he didnt have the time to wait 30 minutes or so for the sponges to dry.
Thats how I see it anyhow.
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Hi Joe Hatton,
He told me that we is woking for them only since january 2010.
this is a good offer on the flexi5:
http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=2757
will be nearly the same price as the Gen4 and sebo b36.
Is anuone else using Flexi5?
Many Thanks to all of you guys.
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I think that price is wrong. That is the old price before they were increased due to currency fluctuations.
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thats the right price I just confirmed with them.
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If John is right, and he is not often wrong, then if this other firm is DEFINATELY selling at that price then it is a bargain.
If however, their price is incorrect then try
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/Flexi5
and ask to speak to John Kelly.
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not sure if this is an older version or not, as i don't know anything about envirodri but thought i'd throw it on here.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/The-Envirodri-Dry-Carpet-Cleaning-Agitation-System_W0QQitemZ150428490549QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item23063c9b35
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If John is right, and he is not often wrong, then if this other firm is DEFINATELY selling at that price then it is a bargain.
If however, their price is incorrect then try
http://www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Products/Flexi5
and ask to speak to John Kelly.
I call them and ask them and they said thats the real price.
Many Thanks
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derek ishe pevious model to the new gen 4 dif being 30 cm bushes instead of 40
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I recently got a secondhand Host machine with the vacuum unit. I tried it out on a white wool rug we have at home. The rug was getting a little grubby and I was not looking forward to wet cleaning it.
The result was far better than I had expected and this type of VLM system as just gone up IMO.
Cheers
Mike
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Thanks to all of you.
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Hi Joe Hatton,
He told me that we is woking for them only since january 2010.
this is a good offer on the flexi5:
http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=2757
will be nearly the same price as the Gen4 and sebo b36.
Is anuone else using Flexi5?
Thay changes now the price.
http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=2757
I thing that I will get the sebo bs36 and Gen4.
Many Thanks to all of you guys.
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Sorry to drag an old thread back to life but thought this may be of interest to anyone thinking of going down the "dry" route.
Had a call last Webnesday to go and price a large lounge. Arrived and was shown a number of grey spots and the footfall area in front of the suite's. Lady of the house then told me the carpet had been cleaned the day before :o Turned out she had the carpet dry cleaned by a company using the Host System. In her words "I thought keeping the carpet dry would be much better and he (the tech) told me the carpet would shrink if I had it wet cleaned". I sample vacced a sq mtr to see what was left in the carpet and the stuff that came out had to be seen to be believed.
Cut a long story short, did the job yesterday and half way through the lady came in to see how I was getting on. The clear line of before and after was plain to see. I, as was the lady, was stunned to see how much muck was left in the carpet after the Host system had done it's best.
Maybe the Host system is faster and less expensive but think I'll be sticking with HWE.
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The dry process can give very good results.
The efficiency of the operator does mean a lot - like it does with HWE.
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Wouldn't disagree with you Joe re:operator efficiency. The room was 280 sq ft; apparently the guy was there for one hour, beginning to end and charged £48 (Money returned). Does that sort of duration sound right to you? I spent over half an hour just dry vaccing the carpet before going near it with pre-spray.
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I would have thought that was a 3 hour job with a dry system. This is how it gets a bad name. Its never going to remove the dirt like HWE but neither does bonnetting and they all have their place.
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Adi
I cant say I have done a lot of dry cleaning but that area would take me longer then HWE. A fair amount of work to get it right, but again I wouldnt be thinking of charging anywhere near a low £48.
And by the very nature of using granules, a lot of time would be agitation with Envirodri or similar, and at the end at lot of dry vacuuming.
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My recent experience.
I used my recently aquired Host machine on some common area carpets in a warden managed group of flats for the elderly. I also do the weekly cleaning there and know the condition of the carpets.
Also I have HWE cleaned the same carpets in the past to a good result. The main soiling was from general footfall, so very little stain tratment was needed.
The process I followed, (after discussions with a supplier), was vacuuming, prespraying prochem multipro, and Envirodri sponges. These were thoroughly agitated, left in the carpet for at least 15 minutes, then removed using the Host Freestyle vac unit. By volume it seemed that more came out than went in, though there was a fair bit of fluff and loose wool. (don't worry - the brushes were not too hard for the carpet). Further vacuuming was still needed afterwards.
The "dry" cleaning method was no quicker than HWE in terms of time working - where it was an advantage, was not having to refill and empty, (yes itas a porty - not a TM but then again the risk of residents falling over hoses was avoided). Visually the result was as good and the customer is very happy with the result.
Finally there were still some granules in the odd corner the following week ::)
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Mike,
I have never used a "dry" method, but reading your last post 2 words shout warnings to me, WOOL and MULTIPRO.
Multipro is quite high PH so i would have thought that it has to be neutralised, dont know if the sponges do this.
Regards
Daryl
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Fair comment Daryl,
I used the term wool in its wider sense - the pile on the carpets is not natural, also Envirodri micro sponges are desinged to work with prespotters and take up any excess before it can become a sticky residue.
Cheers
Mike
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i use dry fusion and i will not walk away from a carpet untill it is tops plus it dries very quickly 8)
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thebestcleaner
Not quite the same thing as we've been posting about ;D
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;D