Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: happy mondays on February 18, 2010, 09:22:14 pm
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Both 100psi machines, its maybe been asked before but can anyone give pro's and con's of both machines, if all go's well on a demo i'm intending to buy the exel tomorrow, but I am having second thoughts from reading past problems/posts on the forum, please help, have enquired about the airflex with matt at cleansmart but minimum 2 week wait, I need to be up and running by Monday, Tuesday at the latest, so need a porty by then. By the time I saw some bad issues with the exel I didnt get the chance to call alltec as they were closed, so I couldnt find out if the advance was available to buy and take away tomorrow. Both are about 3hrs away from Cheshire, what do you think?
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Personally, I wouldn't buy a brand new portable with only a 100psi pump.
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Just been to Alltec today and their machines IMO are way ahead, easy to repair, more upto date and lighter.
Shaun
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I'm new to it and have been told that 100psi is plenty to clean carpets with, they also told me this on the prochem course, ive decided that 2k is enough to spend on my first portable.
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Just been to Alltec today and their machines IMO are way ahead, easy to repair, more upto date and lighter.
Shaun
Thanks Shaun, do you think they will have the advance in stock? Brian at extracta said I could take one away tomorrow if I was hapy with it.
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I too agree dont buy anything with just 100psi :P The least 200psi there are lots of machines on the market the extracta is dinosuar sorry speaking from what I have used in the past we are all on here to help buy the correct machine myself included ;D
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Thanks for the input Terry, what would you suggest I do, need a machine for Monday really, Tuesday latest, the 2 week wait for the airflex from matt at cleansmart has put me off, got a couple of job offers already and need some £'s from the carpets right away.
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I'm new to it and have been told that 100psi is plenty to clean carpets with, they also told me this on the prochem course, ive decided that 2k is enough to spend on my first portable.
Sure you can clean a carpet with 100psi, but why would you want to - you will very quickly realise that it's underpowered and then you will want to upgrade, plus you've then got to find someone else that wants to buy a 100psi machine.
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Thanks Steve, what confuses me is why then have extracta stuck with 100psi max, Brian must know what he's talking about as he's been in the business for a long time, i'm undecided and a total novice in the carpet cleaning world so I dont know myself, the advance (100 psi) is around the same price as the exel, I like the look of them both to be honest. I dont think I can get much more for 2k.
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IMO waiting a few more days for a better machine is more better spent, Alltec do make better machines and I thought the Airflex when I saw it last year was excellent, I would use the bad weather to postpone those jobs.
Shaun
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I've never used an extracta, so it would be unfair of me to pass judgement on them.
However, most of us clean upholstery at more than 100psi, let alone carpet - yes it will do the job but you might as well start as you mean to go on.
Am I right in thinking that you recently went out with Roger ? If so, there is a world of difference between his Ninja and what you are proposing to buy.
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We bought the Advance 600 (twin-vac; they now also do the same with tripple-vac) last year and it is a great machine. The more I use it the more I like it.
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We bought the Advance 600 (twin-vac; they now also do the same with tripple-vac) last year and it is a great machine. The more I use it the more I like it.
Think they are around 2.5k Ian, 2k for a new machine is tops for me at the moment, so 100psi is all I can get.
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Give me a ring tomorrow 07768 648863
Might have a deal for you, but only if you can wait until the end of the month
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Thanks Steve, deal as in what machine? Like ive said driving to extracta tomorrow need a porty latest Monday/Tuesday next week, wanting one tomorrow really, got the £'s for any quck sale if its a good deal, but do like the idea of a 1 year warranty on a new machine.
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Couldn't do anything until the end of the month so won't be any good to you.
Speak to Alltec tomorrow before you make a final decision, they have ex-demos with higher psi, you may get a better deal
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Thanks Steve, I'll ring them before I leave to meet Brian at extracta and see if they can sell me something tomorrow, like I say its three hrs either way.
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The suppliers of any equipment will tell you what you want to hear....such as 100psi is enough. The true way to find out if this is true is to ask other CCs which you have done on here. Im with everyone else on this subject, 100psi is not good enough. If push comes to it id hire a machine from somewhere such as HSS until one can be bought from Cleansmart (Airflex). If you can id go for the triple vac version because it will give you more options asto the kind of work that you can tackle with ease.
Richie.
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Thanks Richie, what types of machines do hss hire? why dont extracta develop machines that can produce 600 psi? I'm very confused.
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Hi, have used Extracta Excel and in comparison my Alltec Advance out performs it,as my scorpion does also.
Regards Rob
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hi Rob,
Your not far from me, how long have you had the alltec?
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Sometimes companies are scared of change, but the Extracta people could easily do what Ashbys do and buy machines from America then modify it for he UK market with their own brand on it.
The difference between 100 psi and 400psi or even 200 psi is massive in terms of cleaning power which equates to time taken to complete work and with more powerfull vacuumation faster drying.
The 100 psi machines WILL clean carpets but will take longer and require considerably more effort than a machine with 200 psi and twin vacs.
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Both machines are used on 2" hose with DD 2"wand, fantastic results and Carpets are dry very quick.
Rob.
ps picked machine up at CCDO last April
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Both machines are used on 2" hose with DD 2"wand, fantastic results and Carpets are dry very quick.
Rob.
ps picked machine up at CCDO last April
They both 100psi?
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No Alltec 600psi and Scorpion 300psi, sorry wrong dial.
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No Alltec 600psi and Scorpion 300psi
Not 2k to buy then, i only want to spend this on the machine, another 1k on drier, other bits etc.
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Why not lease it or loan a demo and put deposit down .
Rob
All that power.
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Thanks Rob, yes that is an option ive looked in to, but its all been a bit rushed and need the income straight away due to the very recent loss of a big job that we have had for six years, had a really bad couple of years as a ltd company, companys going bust on us etc etc.
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Before anyone asks, no I don't work for Alltec as a sales rep.
Regards Rob ;D ;D
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;D
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go on ebay, there are a few machines on there. look at item number 190373564788
Richie.
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Most of my decision is based on first impressions of a company, I emailed 4 suppliers/agents last week requesting information about portys, only one got back to me, the others I had to phone, one didnt even ring me back, this does put me off spending hard earnt £'s with some mentioned on this thread.
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Sorry mate but 100 psi = hard work. I recently cleaned a pub, a regular for the first time with my Airflex, I took a lot less time and a lot less water and that's just the pressure. If I had too choose I would go with an Alltec 100 psi 'off the shelf' brilliantly built. If you can wait then an Airflex, Alltec or Scorpion triple vac. The 100 psi pump machine will get old real quick.
Another option maybe to find a fellow carpet cleaner on here who can do the work with you. It's not perfect but realising you want a more powerful machine after spending £2000 and then not being able to sell it for anything near that to upgrade will only frustrate.
100 psi machines are fine, and will do a great job but they are hard work and it involves patience!
Good luck
Simon
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I had a 135 psi ninja then moved up to 500psi and run it around 200 its far more better you will regret buying anything with just 100 psi every one has said this,best you listen we all here to help ;D there are lots of machines on the market,I am looking at the Mytee 450 twin inline heater £2,100 including vat from woodbridge
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Thanks all for the advice, a couple of people have also emailed me, I'll let you know how I get on.
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Extracta push the use of their Scrubba tools which when used even with only 100 psi clean pretty well even on pub carpet.
You could always upgrade the Exel's pump in the future.
The one thing about Extracta's is the build quality of the actual unit - bodywork, they are one of the best made in that respect.
I used Extracta's, Mr Steam's, Cleanmasters and a whole host of other equally well known portables and to be fair the Extracta's were the most durable ones in terms of build. I wouldn't however buy another or even any portable again.
You should also consider back up and again this is where Extracta wins imo.
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I've owned the Exel (Well 2 actually) and now I use the Alltec Advance TV 600psi. The extra PSI and oodles of extra airflow from the Alltec have seen me produce far superior, drier results in half the time... It's a no brainer really!!!!
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if i was starting over i would be getting a headache so many good machines around. 300 plus psi and twin vac essential i believe you will get results with smaller under powered machines but it will take you far longer to get there. remember its not just getting the carpets clean its getting them dry. so the extra airflow a triple vac would give you will help in that area.
I would give steve a ring decent guy and he may have something for you.
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Have a look at the Powerflight 1350 top machine 500psi 2 vacs with and great heat also Amtech have seen sense and ditched the cheap Chinese vacs and went back to the Imperial vacs.
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As above 100psi isnt near enough these days.
Go for the bigger one. I would suggest Alltec but I am biased, the machines are easy to work on, Chris and the team will help you.
Also with 100psi you cant really do hard floors as Altec will point out to you, its another string to your bow.
As to HSS they hire out Ninjas etc, probably seen better days but better than nowt. As for your Mon/Tues customers tell them your machine has broken down and are waiting for spares etc etc.
Rather lose a custy than buy a machine you are going to hate the look of if you buy in haste.
Why not put a shout out on here or on the Commercial side for a spare machine to borrow, just to help you out, guys on here are very helpful.
My opinion thats all.
Murky
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how mch to contract hire a alltec tiple vac?
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I do know i have been more than happy with my 3 vac van mounted system from alltec and have an on board water tank :)
Th heater that steve has posted about does sound a good ad on as well :)
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Thanks for the help/emails/advice everyone, spent a couple of hrs with Brian at extracta, he was really helpful and had alot of knowledge of pumps, vacs etc, no hard sell at all, I also chatted to a cc that had and still used an extracta for 14 years, my opinion was, its a good solid built machine that does what it says, so I bought one, I will use it for the time being and see how I go, maybe in time I will try/buy a higher powered machine and use this as a back up.
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They are nice people at Extracta.... I take it you're buying the "Scrubba Deluxe" too? It's a good system and in my opinion, the Scrubba is underrated....!
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Hi Colin, not bought the scrubba yet, but will do asap.
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Hi, have used Extracta Excel and in comparison my Alltec Advance out performs it,as my scorpion does also.
Regards Rob
Hi Rob
Could you recommend a supplier for the Alltec machine.
Cheers
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Yorky
You buy them direct from Alltec
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Yorky
You buy them direct from Alltec
Cheers mate would you know if they are ok with aftersales back up and servicing. Sorry if you don't have the machine and it's a question for one of the other guys.
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They've got a good reputation on the service side, their technicians are top notch.
As for aftersales, they have been getting mixed reviews lately.
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Have never had any problems with alltec myself. :)
Always found them helpfull and not pushy when it comes to sales.
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i'll be meeting the alltec team in person next week, i'll let ya know what there like. might get a full service on me trucky while i'm down there, anyone had a truckmount serviced by them and is it worth the price tag?
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i'll be meeting the alltec team in person next week, i'll let ya know what there like. might get a full service on me trucky while i'm down there, anyone had a truckmount serviced by them and is it worth the price tag?
Cheers I would appreciate the feedback.
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Derek,
I know a few guys that have had their TMs serviced at Alltech and have been happy with the service supplied. Im not sure exactly what it is though that they replace during either service that they offer.
Richie.
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oil, blower oil, filters and spark plugs probably, not a lot really for £117 but saves me doing it and i'm down there for 3 days so thought i might as well get it done. be nice if they cleaned the waste tank out as well, now thats a difficult job.
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Not if you have an old porty Derek
Come to think of it thats the only good use for a porty :D
Cheers
Steve
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If any one wants an old porty I have a cheyenne in my garage ,one vac missing ,pump there but been stood a while . Structure very solid --- Free to anyone who can use it before I chuck it. One careful owner from new!
Mike
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where are you based Mike?
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where are you based Mike?
His info says Whiyby, Which is obviously Whitby cos the t@y are next door neighbours :D