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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jon Oldham on February 17, 2010, 04:39:04 pm
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Hi. This is probably not in the right section of the site but does anyone know where I can get some training on stone and tile recognition, cleaning etc. I done a Prochem course about a year ago but it was more product focused. Plus I have forgotten most of it!
I have just bought a Rotovac with stone and tile cleaning head but am reluctant to go and use it until I can recognise tiles etc and know what I am up against. I live on Surrey/Middlesex border
Any help would be much appreciated.
PS. If anyone uses the Rotovac for stone and tile could you please give me some pointers.
Regards
Jon
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Hi Jon
NCCA are doing a hard floor course in April and Oct this year. http://ncca.co.uk/NCCA_News.htm#courses
I just ordered a RV 360i, so would be interested how you get on with your head (if you see what I mean)
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Jon
Should have asked - how you getting on with it for carpet cleaning?
Did you get the carpet brush head as well?
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Hi Joe
Got it on Monday. Have only done my parents carpet and it pulled alot of soil out. Takes some getting used to as it aggitates, cleans ans vacs at the same time. I have only got a twin vac machine to use with it, waiting for things to pick up then hopefully buy a 3 vac machine. (If things ever pick up!)
Regards
Jon
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Things will pick up, Jon, just wait for the weather to get a bit better.
You been in business long?
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Joe
In my 4th year now. Things started getting good then credit crunch came along. Been keeping head above water for the last year but it has just gone dead since new year. Only working 1 day this week but have been able to catch up on a few things and try out Rotovac. February was best month last year, certainly won't be this year.
Trying to get into stone and tile to try and compensate a bit.
Regards
Jon
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I've just looked at the Rotovac website and I can't find a price.
It does look good; I imagine it'd be particularly useful for big areas, but could someone tell me how much the machine is, plus the extra heads for tiles, etc please ???
Many thanks.
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There are a few companies that sell them over here. Alltec (I think), Ashby's and Solutions.
Regards
Jon
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I only found the three that Jon has mentioned.
Alltec-coudnt find a price, emailed them, no reply.
Ashbys-price looks good at £1295 but that is a bare machine. Heads cost about £290 each
Solutions price includes one head. The price on their website I found to be negotiable. Order in. Good price but guaranteed good service as well - that counts.
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Hi Jon, if you need any advice give me a call. My contact details are on my web site.
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That's an offer you SHOULD take up !
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Hi Jon,
I would suggest that you re-do the course on hardfloor cleaning with the same
company and I think you will understand better what it is all about because everything
will click into place.
If you go to another company at this stage of things you could end up more
confused.
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When fitted with the carpet cleaning brush head is that just for agitation, then you swap over to the vacuum head?
stu
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Thanks for the help. Will give you a call Sherco.
Stu, the agitation pads, spray jets and vacuum slots are all in one head. There are teflon (i assume) pads on the bottom of the head to agitate. Then you pull another trigger to spray whilst vacuuming at the same time. It will certainly make a difference to cleaning times if the aggitation stage is as good as a brush. I would like to have a 3 vac machine on the end of it. That will come later in the year.
Regards
Jon
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think i'm gonna book the prochem 1 day hard floor course as an introduction then if i like what i learn may go on the ncca one.
anyone done the prochem one day?
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Like the look of the Rotovac 360 been eyeing them up for a few months trying to make my mind up whether they're worth the money. I do some regular hard floor cleaning and was going to get a hard floor wand but thinking one of these is a better idea.
Presumably you got yours from Solutions then Joe? Good deal on it?
Which head you get with it?
contact@cleanlivingservices.co.uk
If I did get one would lean towards Ashbys as they're only 1.5 hours away if there was a problem with it.
Would be interested to hear how either of you get on with it when you get some use out of it.
Paul
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Paul
Yes getting my unit from Solutions. Got a good deal. Whether its the cheapest - maybe it is, but good deals involve peace of mind knowing back up and service is there, and with Solutions it is.
Alltec never got back to me (not for the first time) and Ashbys - well, just never approached for a deal due to comments on here about there service.
I ordered with the carpet cleaning head.
Tile and grout maybe to follow.
and the carpet brush head is not just for aggitation, the solution is there when required and suction when required.
There is also a smaller stair cleaning head.
4 heads are better then 1 ;D
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Derek
I haven't done the Prochem course. I would definately recommend the IICRC 2 day course at Alltec.
What Keith Robertson doesn't know about hard floors isn't worth knowing.
Steve
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I did the Prochem hard floor day..very little done on tile & natural stone cleaning, and if this is what you want i would personally give it a miss.
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Joe, Why if the carpet brush head agitates and sprays and sucks would you want just the spray/vacuum head as well?
stu ???
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cheers steve, looked at the iicrc one but its a stop over jobby where as ncca i can commute the 2 days. and there will be 2 of us so its whether the extra cost is beneficial over the lower cost option.
sherco
i'm looking at going into driveways, patio's decking for the domestic market and safety flooring etc for commercial.
the prochem course will be used as a taster so to speak. basics for the proper course with the ncca or iicrc. apart from altro, (thrown in at the deep end) i know nothing.
i don't want to specialise i just want the bulk work. you did the prochem and look where you are now, so on thatr basis, dya reckon its worth the £95 quid per person?
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Stu
Not being all that conversant with the 360i and its attachements I had to ask the question.
If one is doing mostly domestic then the standard head is the choice. 99% of my work is domestic so thats what I am getting.
The head with the carpet cleaning brush would be best suited on low profile and flotex type stuff I am led to believe ie commercial stuff.
I did think I could get the carpet cleaning brush head and sell the Envirodri, but I still think 2 counter rotating brushes will be more effective then a rotating one, both for digging out the rubbish and agitating cleaning fluid - but may still try that out later.
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took your advice steve
booked it packed it.
IICRC 2 day hard floor and 1 day hands on at alltec.
got 20% discount for 2 of us, don't ask ya don't get ;D
accomodation £90 for 2 nights for 2, course £400 plus the dreaded for 2 of us. considering the amount i got paid for the hard floor i did this week, i would say thats a drop in the ocean. roll on summer ;D
cheers again steve, lets hope i learn something valuable
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good choice mate, you'll learn a lot - Keith is really passionate about hard floors.
I couldn't do the 1 day hands-on after the 2 day course, due to work commitments - gutted :P
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You might remember that I was trying to arrange a course at Chemspec in Bailden, West Yorkshire, this included, cleaning, polishing, sealing of all hard floors including natural stone.
I needed 4-5 people to make it viable. No one was interested other than 1 person, so I dropped the idea.
Regards
Peter
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Joe I tried the 360 at the CCDO last year and although very light and easy to use I thought the standard head was rubbish but the carpet brush was excellent, we used it on the wool axminster in the main room and although patterned it didn't disturb the pile it IMO licked over it, it did remind me of the rotary master although thta left teh carpet drier.
Personally for domestics I think it's a waste of money as you have to wand the edges anyway.
Shaun
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Peter,
Shame about that.
Mke
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dave washbrook bought one, and said it was crap on hard surfaces ie tiles, and sold it,
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The latest model, 360i, is a revised main unit to overcome the eleccy problems they had, and the tile & grout head has been revised too - no doubt to address the reports about it leaving floor too wet.