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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: NWH on October 16, 2008, 07:03:06 pm
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Hot water users out there can you tell me how hot cleans quicker on regular cleans and how much it costs per week to run.
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Hot water cleans quicker on soiled, salted windows. Shrivels the spiders and their webs up immediately so less trying to scrub/flick their handywork with the brush. Hot water lifts the dirt much easier on new, stubborn dirt.
Give you an example: With an empty mug with coffee, tea stains at the bottom, pour a tiny amount of water in and swirl it around and see how easy the stain shifts. Then try it again with another stained mug using hot water instead of cold and you'll see for yourself why hot wfp users like hot water.
Also, with hot wfp the hose remains supple, doesn't kink easily, is a pleasure on the hands on cold mornings and easy to reel back in.
The hot water sheets down large panes of glass quicker and dries much quicker so on windy days when there is a lot of dust blowing around there is less chance of water left on windows collecting dust, salt, road grime from car exhausts,etc. Customers have less reason to moan about windows being cleaned and left wet.
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Costs me £5-6 a day if Omnipole hot water retro heater used all day.
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Easier to remove bird pooh, tree sap and snails trails as well
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what temperature are you using at the brush wayne, and do you reduce the temperature in the winter
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Hot water cleans quicker on soiled, salted windows. Shrivels the spiders and their webs up immediately so less trying to scrub/flick their handywork with the brush. Hot water lifts the dirt much easier on new, stubborn dirt.
Give you an example: With an empty mug with coffee, tea stains at the bottom, pour a tiny amount of water in and swirl it around and see how easy the stain shifts. Then try it again with another stained mug using hot water instead of cold and you'll see for yourself why hot wfp users like hot water.
Also, with hot wfp the hose remains supple, doesn't kink easily, is a pleasure on the hands on cold mornings and easy to reel back in.
The hot water sheets down large panes of glass quicker and dries much quicker so on windy days when there is a lot of dust blowing around there is less chance of water left on windows collecting dust, salt, road grime from car exhausts,etc. Customers have less reason to moan about windows being cleaned and left wet.
Your telling me you get the same amount of heat out of a hot water system as a hot tap? B&%^%&ks!!
you be lucky to get half as much,,, luke warm at best. saleman pitch if ever i heard one and simply untrue.
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I was told by a supplier that if you set it at 60 on the dial you`ll get 52 degrees at the brush.
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Hot water cleans quicker on soiled, salted windows. Shrivels the spiders and their webs up immediately so less trying to scrub/flick their handywork with the brush. Hot water lifts the dirt much easier on new, stubborn dirt.
Give you an example: With an empty mug with coffee, tea stains at the bottom, pour a tiny amount of water in and swirl it around and see how easy the stain shifts. Then try it again with another stained mug using hot water instead of cold and you'll see for yourself why hot wfp users like hot water.
Also, with hot wfp the hose remains supple, doesn't kink easily, is a pleasure on the hands on cold mornings and easy to reel back in.
The hot water sheets down large panes of glass quicker and dries much quicker so on windy days when there is a lot of dust blowing around there is less chance of water left on windows collecting dust, salt, road grime from car exhausts,etc. Customers have less reason to moan about windows being cleaned and left wet.
Your telling me you get the same amount of heat out of a hot water system as a hot tap? B&%^%&ks!!
you be lucky to get half as much,,, luke warm at best. saleman pitch if ever i heard one and simply untrue.
where does the hot water come from to get to a tap ::)
Getting hot water depends on the heater if it is a good heater then it will produce hot water on demand
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is 52 degress hot?? not in my book, and any cleaning properties against cold are null and void. what temp does it take to crack cold glass???
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Not as much heat is lost with some systems due to the way it works i`ve looked into this part of it,the heater i`m looking at sends hot water straight to the reel with hardly any heat loss.As windowwashers says it`s all down to the quality of the heater.
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is 52 degress hot?? not in my book, and any cleaning properties against cold are null and void. what temp does it take to crack cold glass???
Why are you being so angry in your replys,you are a newbie you know lol. ;D
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LoL! your right! deep breaths......!!!! ;DHad a demo of one and it was total balony! A clean window is a clean window fail to see any real advantage in the expense of hot- apart from the companies selling them!!!
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is 52 degress hot?? not in my book, and any cleaning properties against cold are null and void. what temp does it take to crack cold glass???
Hahaha Had to laugh at that bit ,,I'm of to eygpt the end of the month and if it's 52 degress i'm going to have to take a coat to keep warm.lol
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My gas heater costs about £1 per day to run.
The heater will heat up to 80 degrees,.. but I'd never go above 60, and normally stick between 40-50 degree's,... cooler again in the winter.
Does hot water (or even lukewarm water) have an advantage over cold? Enough that I use hot for EVERY job,.. even weekly cleans. I'll never go back to cold.
It doesn't matter what I say though, try it for yourself.
Maybe you're happy using cold,.. but then a couple of years ago you might have been happy using ladders?!
;D
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Hot water cleans quicker on soiled, salted windows. Shrivels the spiders and their webs up immediately so less trying to scrub/flick their handywork with the brush. Hot water lifts the dirt much easier on new, stubborn dirt.
Give you an example: With an empty mug with coffee, tea stains at the bottom, pour a tiny amount of water in and swirl it around and see how easy the stain shifts. Then try it again with another stained mug using hot water instead of cold and you'll see for yourself why hot wfp users like hot water.
Also, with hot wfp the hose remains supple, doesn't kink easily, is a pleasure on the hands on cold mornings and easy to reel back in.
The hot water sheets down large panes of glass quicker and dries much quicker so on windy days when there is a lot of dust blowing around there is less chance of water left on windows collecting dust, salt, road grime from car exhausts,etc. Customers have less reason to moan about windows being cleaned and left wet.
Your telling me you get the same amount of heat out of a hot water system as a hot tap? B&%^%&ks!!
you be lucky to get half as much,,, luke warm at best. saleman pitch if ever i heard one and simply untrue.
local ionics guy showed me how hot his can go and it was too hot to touch, so yes it is as hot as a tap
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My gas heater costs about £1 per day to run.
The heater will heat up to 80 degrees,.. but I'd never go above 60, and normally stick between 40-50 degree's,... cooler again in the winter.
Does hot water (or even lukewarm water) have an advantage over cold? Enough that I use hot for EVERY job,.. even weekly cleans. I'll never go back to cold.
It doesn't matter what I say though, try it for yourself.
Maybe you're happy using cold,.. but then a couple of years ago you might have been happy using ladders?!
;D
DON'T go in to the realms of telling people how they can diy a hot water system Nat or you might end up with people having a go at you, calling you names and going off in a strop and heated (no pun intended) argumentative replies....... :-X
Regards
Mr H
8)
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Not as much heat is lost with some systems due to the way it works i`ve looked into this part of it,the heater i`m looking at sends hot water straight to the reel with hardly any heat loss.As windowwashers says it`s all down to the quality of the heater.
I also use insulated 8mm hose, not your normal stuff, so futher heat is not lossed whilst the hose lays unreeled on the ground. Since I've started using the insulated hose I've noticed the water drying much quicker. Whilst I'm rinsing the windows, I can watch the top half steaming dry as I'm finishing the bottom half of the pane.
It's about working smarter, if you use a water heater, why stop there, use insulated hose and benefit even further using hot water.
As for tips and tricks for cooling the water down during cold mornings I'll keep that to myself otherwise I'll just read plenty of negative comments from the disbelievers who are happy to stay cold wfp or too tight to invest for their future.
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My gas heater costs about £1 per day to run.
The heater will heat up to 80 degrees,.. but I'd never go above 60, and normally stick between 40-50 degree's,... cooler again in the winter.
Does hot water (or even lukewarm water) have an advantage over cold? Enough that I use hot for EVERY job,.. even weekly cleans. I'll never go back to cold.
It doesn't matter what I say though, try it for yourself.
Maybe you're happy using cold,.. but then a couple of years ago you might have been happy using ladders?!
;D
DON'T go in to the realms of telling people how they can diy a hofooler system Nat or you might end up with people haveing a go at you, calling you names and going off in a strop and heated (no pun intended) argumentative replies....... :-X
Regards
Mr H
8)
;D ;D ;D go on do it, you know you want to ;)
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HOT ROCKS! i'm with nat on everything he says. i've even figured out how not to crack windows (i think)
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My gas heater costs about £1 per day to run.
The heater will heat up to 80 degrees,.. but I'd never go above 60, and normally stick between 40-50 degree's,... cooler again in the winter.
Does hot water (or even lukewarm water) have an advantage over cold? Enough that I use hot for EVERY job,.. even weekly cleans. I'll never go back to cold.
It doesn't matter what I say though, try it for yourself.
Maybe you're happy using cold,.. but then a couple of years ago you might have been happy using ladders?!
;D
DON'T go in to the realms of telling people how they can diy a hofooler system Nat or you might end up with people haveing a go at you, calling you names and going off in a strop and heated (no pun intended) argumentative replies....... :-X
Regards
Mr H
8)
;D ;D ;D go on do it, you know you want to ;)
If i get one i want to do it. ;D ;D ;D
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Not as much heat is lost with some systems due to the way it works i`ve looked into this part of it,the heater i`m looking at sends hot water straight to the reel with hardly any heat loss.As windowwashers says it`s all down to the quality of the heater.
I also use insulated 8mm hose, not your normal stuff, so futher heat is not lossed whilst the hose lays unreeled on the ground. Since I've started using the insulated hose I've noticed the water drying much quicker. Whilst I'm rinsing the windows, I can watch the top half steaming dry as I'm finishing the bottom half of the pane.
It's about working smarter, if you use a water heater, why stop there, use insulated hose and benefit even further using hot water.
As for tips and tricks for cooling the water down during cold mornings I'll keep that to myself otherwise I'll just read plenty of negative comments from the disbelievers who are happy to stay cold wfp or too tight to invest for their future.
Please share your tips and tricks as high water temp on cold days is something that concerns me.
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How do you not crack glass on a cold morning Dave?
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I reckon that if you're gonna be on a pane for longer than usual (very stubborn mark, for instance), if you urn your flow right down, you will put less heat into the glas and reduce the risk of cracking. most windows just need a quick whizz over with hot. both the windows I cracked were on dirty first cleans at ful flow. it's working up to yet since I thought of it
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I reckon that if you're gonna be on a pane for longer than usual (very stubborn mark, for instance), if you urn your flow right down, you will put less heat into the glas and reduce the risk of cracking. most windows just need a quick whizz over with hot. both the windows I cracked were on dirty first cleans at ful flow. it's working up to yet since I thought of it
If you are using an on demand heater and you turn your water flow down, the water that comes out will be hotter than when it was at a higher flow.
The slower the flow of water-the hotter the temperature
The faster the flow of water- the cooler the temperature
The longer you spend cleaning a pane of glass, the hotter the glass becomes
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when you use a thermostatic mixer valve the temperature is always the same, regardless of the flow
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Some systems do need a certain amount of flow before they switch on so it could be that if its turned right down then the system wouldn't be heating the water to start with. Then when you turn the flow up and it switches on it would take a couple of litres before it reached temp. Don't know if it is that but its a thought.....
Regards
Mr H
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Good info Wayne, a bit thankless but there you are, you explained the benefits and that's what NWH asked. My lpg is about £2 per day on 600l usage @£28 for 19kg.Just about a year now and no problems with an off the shelf unmodified £300 heater.
Are you saying Wayne that you use the Gardiners thermobore? I'd like to but the price scared me.
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Good info Wayne, a bit thankless but there you are, you explained the benefits and that's what NWH asked. My lpg is about £2 per day on 600l usage @£28 for 19kg.Just about a year now and no problems with an off the shelf unmodified £300 heater.
Are you saying Wayne that you use the Gardiners thermobore? I'd like to but the price scared me.
Hello Discount, yes I bought gardiners thermobore. The price scared me too, but if you don't take calculated chances in life, you'll remain limited by your own fears :)
I'm always experimenting with different ideas of my own, some work, some don't but unless I take a chance, I'll never find better ways of improving efficiency.