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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: RPCCS on December 19, 2024, 10:23:34 pm
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I have a digital pump to keep water flowing or stopping when I change the window frame to another window. The flow speed is 3 and the pressure I think ,is the same, but the flow of water just stops. Disconnecting the pole and trying to suck though the hose doesn’t work, I charge the every day . It can start pumping again if you increase the speed of water flow, but try increasing the speed of water coming out, eg 4,it runs for about 5 seconds then stops .
Turning it back to 3 and the pressure down to 2 , the same things happen again.
I did ask an auto electric company a price to fit a relay to charge the pump battery as the van is a 2016 Vauxhall Vivaro, and he was ‘“too busy” to have time to come and look at it, so I’m not using that company again. I’ve fitted a brand new battery on van and a brand new pump battery, the van is fitted with a switch off system, this turns the engine off if standing at traffic lights and starts again once you press the clutch. The auto electric company wouldn’t have a look to give me a price to fit a relay.
What I need is how to keep the water flowing all the time it’s used for without stopping the flow, does any one know how to stop this happening? Please tell me of things I can do, also is it possible able to fit a relay to charge the pump battery?
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Double check you don't have a twisted or pinched hose on your reel. At a guess the pumps pressure switch is turning off the pump.
Disconnect the reel hose and see if the problem is still there. If no problem then look at the reel and all connections.
Most people don't do enough miles no matter what 'relay' they fit to keep the pump battery (leisure battery) charged, so mains charge each night.
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I have a digital pump to keep water flowing or stopping when I change the window frame to another window. The flow speed is 3 and the pressure I think ,is the same, but the flow of water just stops. Disconnecting the pole and trying to suck though the hose doesn’t work, I charge the every day . It can start pumping again if you increase the speed of water flow, but try increasing the speed of water coming out, eg 4,it runs for about 5 seconds then stops .
Turning it back to 3 and the pressure down to 2 , the same things happen again.
I did ask an auto electric company a price to fit a relay to charge the pump battery as the van is a 2016 Vauxhall Vivaro, and he was ‘“too busy” to have time to come and look at it, so I’m not using that company again. I’ve fitted a brand new battery on van and a brand new pump battery, the van is fitted with a switch off system, this turns the engine off if standing at traffic lights and starts again once you press the clutch. The auto electric company wouldn’t have a look to give me a price to fit a relay.
What I need is how to keep the water flowing all the time it’s used for without stopping the flow, does any one know how to stop this happening? Please tell me of things I can do, also is it possible able to fit a relay to charge the pump battery?
This sounds like you have a Spring manufactured analogue controller.
https://windowcleaningstuff.co.uk/shop-all/v11-spring-pump-controller-analogue-12v-dc-unit/
Is this what you have?
If so, you need to tell us what the PS light is doing when the controller switches off. The k nob on the right of the photo is the cut-off setting. What happens if you turn it clockwise? You should then be able to increase your flow (the k nob on the left,) when doing this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl1QEgNOspM
On a 2016 plate Vivaro, I would say that you need a dc to dc charger to charge your leisure battery. A split charge relay won't work.
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Ched, I have done that before and nothing to see for any twisted of the pipe, but will do it again,
Spruce no it’s definitely a digital box , there is no control numpty just an up and down arrow to increase or decrease the speed of water. If you press up and down together the pressure starts to flash on and off, then adjust it up or down switch the on/off button and you’ve set the pressure already. It’s a Williamson digital control pump., their s is identical to this one
<iframe width="1366" height="975" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TId3Jn5OeIM" title="Varistream Digital Fix - Broken Pump Controller Investigation" The difference is my controller only has one pair of wires to pump not a second set of wires, there isn’t a control knot as I said before it’s digital. To operate the speed of water flowing you press the up pointing arrow to whatever number you want to allow to flow the water out the jets, to increase the pressure hold both arrows until the display number flashes on and off then adjust the pressure up or down. I’ll unwind the complete hose once again to check there is no kink in the pipe , but I have done that recently. As far as the battery charger is concerned, I use this one
https://www.screwfix.com/p/ring-rcb206-6a-car-battery-charger-6-12v/69046
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Ched, I have done that before and nothing to see for any twisted of the pipe, but will do it again,
Spruce no it’s definitely a digital box , there is no control numpty just an up and down arrow to increase or decrease the speed of water. If you press up and down together the pressure starts to flash on and off, then adjust it up or down switch the on/off button and you’ve set the pressure already. It’s a Williamson digital control pump., their s is identical to this one
<iframe width="1366" height="975" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TId3Jn5OeIM" title="Varistream Digital Fix - Broken Pump Controller Investigation" The difference is my controller only has one pair of wires to pump not a second set of wires, there isn’t a control knot as I said before it’s digital. To operate the speed of water flowing you press the up pointing arrow to whatever number you want to allow to flow the water out the jets, to increase the pressure hold both arrows until the display number flashes on and off then adjust the pressure up or down. I’ll unwind the complete hose once again to check there is no kink in the pipe , but I have done that recently. As far as the battery charger is concerned, I use this one
https://www.screwfix.com/p/ring-rcb206-6a-car-battery-charger-6-12v/69046
I have 2 Varistreams on my van.
What you need to do is go into your calibration setting as you have described. Then press the up button. When these Varistreams first came out, they were factory set at "C". To store your new calibration setting you just need to switch your controller off.
My controllers are the original digital Varistreams and have worked faultlessly. The last model was the VSD6 which also included a crude volt meter which I felt was a disaster.
These instructions are for the vsd6, but they are also apply to the earlier model.
Every Varistream has 4 wires. They are clearly marked on the underneath of the box. 2 wires come from the battery; the positive (+) is red and the negative (-) is black. The positive goes to the positive terminal of the battery and the negative goes to the negative terminal of the battery. The positive must have a fuse holder with a fuse close to the battery.
The other 2 wires are from the controller to the pump. They are also red and black. The red goes to the red wire on the pump and the black wire goes to the black wire.
Williamson pumps wanted us the connect these pump wires directly to the pump and not through the pump's pressure switch.
This charger isn't really suitable for charging a leisure battery fully. I have always recommended a smart charger such as a Numax 10 amp Connect and Forget. I've used this model for nearly 15 years. I'm on my second one.
https://www.tayna.co.uk/battery-chargers/numax/leisure-12v-10a/?msclkid=c9bc24886bfa1cef648143eda63134f8
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Could be something as simple as a loose wire. I've had that problem recently. Pump can be working fine and bam it stops and PS shows up. A quick wiggle of the wires and it starts again. I lost my poop with it the other day. I took a pair of pliers to every connection and squeezed the feck out of them. Seems to have worked. For now ;D
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Could be something as simple as a loose wire. I've had that problem recently. Pump can be working fine and bam it stops and PS shows up. A quick wiggle of the wires and it starts again. I lost my poop with it the other day. I took a pair of pliers to every connection and squeezed the feck out of them. Seems to have worked. For now ;D
I agree that a faulty connection can also create the problem.
One of the local lads now retired also had a Varistream. He connected it up including the pressure switch which Williamson Pumps recommended not to do. He also had controller problems a few years later. Once we bypassed the PS it worked perfectly.
The o/p said the flow was at 3 and the pressure was at 2. He seems to start describing the pump pulsing. Hence the reason for me suggesting he correct that first.
2 is at the bottom of the calibration range. The range goes from 1 through to 9 and then goes to A to F.
If he calibrates the controller to the factory setting of C and saves that, then at least that rules that issue out.
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Ched, I have done that before and nothing to see for any twisted of the pipe, but will do it again,
Spruce no it’s definitely a digital box , there is no control numpty just an up and down arrow to increase or decrease the speed of water. If you press up and down together the pressure starts to flash on and off, then adjust it up or down switch the on/off button and you’ve set the pressure already. It’s a Williamson digital control pump., their s is identical to this one
<iframe width="1366" height="975" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TId3Jn5OeIM" title="Varistream Digital Fix - Broken Pump Controller Investigation" The difference is my controller only has one pair of wires to pump not a second set of wires, there isn’t a control knot as I said before it’s digital. To operate the speed of water flowing you press the up pointing arrow to whatever number you want to allow to flow the water out the jets, to increase the pressure hold both arrows until the display number flashes on and off then adjust the pressure up or down. I’ll unwind the complete hose once again to check there is no kink in the pipe , but I have done that recently. As far as the battery charger is concerned, I use this one
https://www.screwfix.com/p/ring-rcb206-6a-car-battery-charger-6-12v/69046
I have 2 Varistreams on my van.
What you need to do is go into your calibration setting as you have described. Then press the up button. When these Varistreams first came out, they were factory set at "C". To store your new calibration setting you just need to switch your controller off.
My controllers are the original digital Varistreams and have worked faultlessly. The last model was the VSD6 which also included a crude volt meter which I felt was a disaster.
These instructions are for the vsd6, but they are also apply to the earlier model.
Every Varistream has 4 wires. They are clearly marked on the underneath of the box. 2 wires come from the battery; the positive (+) is red and the negative (-) is black. The positive goes to the positive terminal of the battery and the negative goes to the negative terminal of the battery. The positive must have a fuse holder with a fuse close to the battery.
The other 2 wires are from the controller to the pump. They are also red and black. The red goes to the red wire on the pump and the black wire goes to the black wire.
Williamson pumps wanted us the connect these pump wires directly to the pump and not through the pump's pressure switch.
This charger isn't really suitable for charging a leisure battery fully. I have always recommended a smart charger such as a Numax 10 amp Connect and Forget. I've used this model for nearly 15 years. I'm on my second one.
https://www.tayna.co.uk/battery-chargers/numax/leisure-12v-10a/?msclkid=c9bc24886bfa1cef648143eda63134f8
Im sure I bought a leisure battery, and the charger fills it within an hour on charge.
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Ched, I have done that before and nothing to see for any twisted of the pipe, but will do it again,
Spruce no it’s definitely a digital box , there is no control numpty just an up and down arrow to increase or decrease the speed of water. If you press up and down together the pressure starts to flash on and off, then adjust it up or down switch the on/off button and you’ve set the pressure already. It’s a Williamson digital control pump., their s is identical to this one
<iframe width="1366" height="975" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TId3Jn5OeIM" title="Varistream Digital Fix - Broken Pump Controller Investigation" The difference is my controller only has one pair of wires to pump not a second set of wires, there isn’t a control knot as I said before it’s digital. To operate the speed of water flowing you press the up pointing arrow to whatever number you want to allow to flow the water out the jets, to increase the pressure hold both arrows until the display number flashes on and off then adjust the pressure up or down. I’ll unwind the complete hose once again to check there is no kink in the pipe , but I have done that recently. As far as the battery charger is concerned, I use this one
https://www.screwfix.com/p/ring-rcb206-6a-car-battery-charger-6-12v/69046
I have 2 Varistreams on my van.
What you need to do is go into your calibration setting as you have described. Then press the up button. When these Varistreams first came out, they were factory set at "C". To store your new calibration setting you just need to switch your controller off.
My controllers are the original digital Varistreams and have worked faultlessly. The last model was the VSD6 which also included a crude volt meter which I felt was a disaster.
These instructions are for the vsd6, but they are also apply to the earlier model.
Every Varistream has 4 wires. They are clearly marked on the underneath of the box. 2 wires come from the battery; the positive (+) is red and the negative (-) is black. The positive goes to the positive terminal of the battery and the negative goes to the negative terminal of the battery. The positive must have a fuse holder with a fuse close to the battery.
The other 2 wires are from the controller to the pump. They are also red and black. The red goes to the red wire on the pump and the black wire goes to the black wire.
Williamson pumps wanted us the connect these pump wires directly to the pump and not through the pump's pressure switch.
This charger isn't really suitable for charging a leisure battery fully. I have always recommended a smart charger such as a Numax 10 amp Connect and Forget. I've used this model for nearly 15 years. I'm on my second one.
https://www.tayna.co.uk/battery-chargers/numax/leisure-12v-10a/?msclkid=c9bc24886bfa1cef648143eda63134f8
Im sure I bought a leisure battery, and the charger fills it within an hour on charge.
If you believe its working for you, then stick with it; even if it isn't working properly. That's your choice. If you find you are having charge problems, then the charger is probably the cause. If you don't fully charge your leisure battery, then sulphation will occur over time which will reduce your battery's capacity, leading to early battery failure.
Smart leisure battery chargers usually have a set charging algorithim that suits a leisure battery. The Numax leisure battery charger I linked uses a 5 stage charging process to fully charge the leisure battery.
Most car battery chargers are very basic. All they need to do is charge the starter battery with enough current to start the engine. They are usually switched off by a timer. Depending on the size of the battery, that charger might only charge the battery to 40% as that is enough power to start the engine.
I don't know the exact design around the Ring charger, but if a car battery charger was suitable for charging a leisure battery, then why manufacture a leisure battery charger as well. I'm sorry to say this, but is Screwfix the best place to buy car accessories?
To start with, I had a 75amp hour leisure battery on my wfp trailer. I used a car battery charger, but my trailer battery was always flat at the end of the day. Once I purchased a smart leisure battery charger, everything changed. My advice is based on my experience. In my early days in Africa, we had never heard of a leisure battery or a leisure battery smart charger. I didn't know any better.
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Spruce, the charger takes about 2 hours to be fully charged, occasionally it takes more than 2 hours to charge up if I don’t charge it up after the previous day of work. I did have a electric multi meter which I could tell what power the battery was displaying but I don’t have one any more, so might get one in the January sales.
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Spruce, the charger takes about 2 hours to be fully charged, occasionally it takes more than 2 hours to charge up if I don’t charge it up after the previous day of work. I did have a electric multi meter which I could tell what power the battery was displaying but I don’t have one any more, so might get one in the January sales.
You can get a multimeter from Amazon for about £8 or Screwfix £10 not sure it's going to be much cheaper in the January sales!
The charger you have could put a max of 6 amps an hour in your battery The pump you are probably using pulls about 4amps an hour, so working 5 hrs would use about 20AmpHours so a decent 6Amp battery charger would probably take 4 hrs as the battery accepts less charge the closer it is to full. I doubt your charger is doing the battery any favours! You really need a multimeter to see what the battery is doing.
Something you can do at zero cost is check every connection. Look for a strong joint and no corrosion, check fuses and the holder as well. Don't just look at the connections, give them a gentle tug and check both battery terminals are tight and clean.
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Spruce, the charger takes about 2 hours to be fully charged, occasionally it takes more than 2 hours to charge up if I don’t charge it up after the previous day of work. I did have a electric multi meter which I could tell what power the battery was displaying but I don’t have one any more, so might get one in the January sales.
You can get a multimeter from Amazon for about £8 or Screwfix £10 not sure it's going to be much cheaper in the January sales!
The charger you have could put a max of 6 amps an hour in your battery The pump you are probably using pulls about 4amps an hour, so working 5 hrs would use about 20AmpHours so a decent 6Amp battery charger would probably take 4 hrs as the battery accepts less charge the closer it is to full. I doubt your charger is doing the battery any favours! You really need a multimeter to see what the battery is doing.
Something you can do at zero cost is check every connection. Look for a strong joint and no corrosion, check fuses and the holder as well. Don't just look at the connections, give them a gentle tug and check both battery terminals are tight and clean.
This is a good response. Good explanation.
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As far as the battery charger is concerned, I use this one
https://www.screwfix.com/p/ring-rcb206-6a-car-battery-charger-6-12v/69046
I use the 8 amp version of this. What i have noticed is that if i put it on "fast" then it does indeed charge up quickly and shows the green light for charged. If i then disconnect it, switch it to "slow" and reconnect it then it will continue to give charge and properly charge it up. May help ?
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As far as the battery charger is concerned, I use this one
https://www.screwfix.com/p/ring-rcb206-6a-car-battery-charger-6-12v/69046
I use the 8 amp version of this. What i have noticed is that if i put it on "fast" then it does indeed charge up quickly and shows the green light for charged. If i then disconnect it, switch it to "slow" and reconnect it then it will continue to give charge and properly charge it up. May help ?
The actual instruction manual says that the charger needs to be switched off when the battery indicator turns green. This is to stop the battery being over charged. That's a bit of a red flag for me tbh.
https://shop.ringautomotive.com/rcb206-6a-dual-voltage-battery-charger.html
It would be interesting to see what the final resting voltage of the battery is after the o/p has finished charging the battery. What I find interesting is that the specs say it isn't suitable to charge a battery in a vehicle with stop/start technology. Why?
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What I find interesting is that the specs say it isn't suitable to charge a battery in a vehicle with stop/start technology. Why?
I believe most stop start batteries are AGM and as such they have different charge voltage/current requirements to maintain them to their best. I think AGM need a slightly higher charge voltage and pulses.
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What I find interesting is that the specs say it isn't suitable to charge a battery in a vehicle with stop/start technology. Why?
I believe most stop start batteries are AGM and as such they have different charge voltage/current requirements to maintain them to their best. I think AGM need a slightly higher charge voltage and pulses.
My Vivaro is like that, a 2016 van and it cuts off once engine is warm if you put it in neutral at traffic lights .
Then starts again if you press the clutch
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Spruce I’m going to buy a 12v leisure battery charger, it is 10amp and is suitable to start the battery on my start/stop van too.
Getting it from Amazon
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What I find interesting is that the specs say it isn't suitable to charge a battery in a vehicle with stop/start technology. Why?
I believe most stop start batteries are AGM and as such they have different charge voltage/current requirements to maintain them to their best. I think AGM need a slightly higher charge voltage and pulses.
That makes sense, although some supplier once said that a standard lead acid battery charger will charge an AGM battery just fine.
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Spruce I’m going to buy a 12v leisure battery charger, it is 10amp and is suitable to start the battery on my start/stop van too.
Getting it from Amazon
You need a charger that is specific to charge an AGM battery if that's what your starter battery is. The label on the side of the battery will clearly say AGM if it is an AGM battery.
It's a different charger to charge a lead acid leisure battery. The Numax I linked to is only for lead acid leisure batteries as that was what we were talking about.
A more expensive 10amp CTEK battery charger has different modes to charge different battery types. The charger needs to be set to accommodate each battery type.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CTEK-8-Stage-Battery-Charger-Conditioner/dp/B005O8YG44/ref=sr_1_6?crid=3Q5JB49YBVHKK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hV_He_EL3swBGnLc4ttqrsbxjE8XZ6v05-Sr3A9GjMngn36yVClIKDe9kjX2TiwISCMCp07TdydAoc6bruov6VVeFFHmKnkATin6eszmP_VHYypUzXMHaFOgBay8ECc7fITJnSnk5XSFa2LdijXZSlP5an-ZVe1u78XQBJof5fcDV3U2eNjNTPT6_cbfDqVAPFKf36CXjaXslREpvC3_PBkwUImmzAQ0EJ7cgIib5JeMF-XeCXAVxDBhVrMCBgOqE3uewHwMJqyY01vayZWPFC_PDMY8S8TjZQQafpNwDc4RxxVrLLW8oFNscBPo-lBCvk8Acj62YwGeq_CYsbvxkIPMiuNbTpX1tlIhiWyyAJj9s6kjwhUX3T5nvwosp-UK9VSEV4nmy18PnXJQpdj_7tsqIYT8WL9E8Z-Dl7SHqlgT84-umjr-F7OqDG4e2RUH.xbsVuLQ17bGHxqSH1c5OoUov8gZnLdYQO9WMFnv2FHc&dib_tag=se&keywords=ctek+10a+battery+charger&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1735224221&sprefix=ctek+10a+battery+charger%2Caps%2C103&sr=8-6&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.23648568-4ba5-49f2-9aa6-31ae75f1e9cd
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Sorry I’ve just read your reply, I’ve already ordered one that is suitable as a stop/start engine.
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Spruce I’m going to buy a 12v leisure battery charger, it is 10amp and is suitable to start the battery on my start/stop van too.
Getting it from Amazon
You need a charger that is specific to charge an AGM battery if that's what your starter battery is. The label on the side of the battery will clearly say AGM if it is an AGM battery.
It's a different charger to charge a lead acid leisure battery. The Numax I linked to is only for lead acid leisure batteries as that was what we were talking about.
A more expensive 10amp CTEK battery charger has different modes to charge different battery types. The charger needs to be set to accommodate each battery type.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CTEK-8-Stage-Battery-Charger-Conditioner/dp/B005O8YG44/ref=sr_1_6?crid=3Q5JB49YBVHKK&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hV_He_EL3swBGnLc4ttqrsbxjE8XZ6v05-Sr3A9GjMngn36yVClIKDe9kjX2TiwISCMCp07TdydAoc6bruov6VVeFFHmKnkATin6eszmP_VHYypUzXMHaFOgBay8ECc7fITJnSnk5XSFa2LdijXZSlP5an-ZVe1u78XQBJof5fcDV3U2eNjNTPT6_cbfDqVAPFKf36CXjaXslREpvC3_PBkwUImmzAQ0EJ7cgIib5JeMF-XeCXAVxDBhVrMCBgOqE3uewHwMJqyY01vayZWPFC_PDMY8S8TjZQQafpNwDc4RxxVrLLW8oFNscBPo-lBCvk8Acj62YwGeq_CYsbvxkIPMiuNbTpX1tlIhiWyyAJj9s6kjwhUX3T5nvwosp-UK9VSEV4nmy18PnXJQpdj_7tsqIYT8WL9E8Z-Dl7SHqlgT84-umjr-F7OqDG4e2RUH.xbsVuLQ17bGHxqSH1c5OoUov8gZnLdYQO9WMFnv2FHc&dib_tag=se&keywords=ctek+10a+battery+charger&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1735224221&sprefix=ctek+10a+battery+charger%2Caps%2C103&sr=8-6&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.23648568-4ba5-49f2-9aa6-31ae75f1e9cd
Spruce, thanks for your advice, it turns out that the battery charger I bought , is suitable for charging AGM batteries and 24v and a couple of other types of 12v.
I’ve got in set on AGM battery and see how it results. Many thanks to all other members who gave me advice too.😀😀