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Title: surfactant use
Post by: mjm on April 24, 2021, 08:18:45 pm
are you using a surfactant or not     roofs and render

iam going to order some   SH        should i save my money should i save my money  and skip buying the surfactant and sent masker
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Smudger on April 25, 2021, 12:24:23 am
Use a Surfactant it really helps with roofs and vertical surfaces - I get mine off eBay and add 1 mug to a 20 litre drum

Darran
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: mjm on April 25, 2021, 08:03:30 am
Use a Surfactant it really helps with roofs and vertical surfaces - I get mine off eBay and add 1 mug to a 20 litre drum

Darran

alright  thanks  i will keep it as it is then
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: the king on April 29, 2021, 07:18:59 am
I use clever wash very good stuff wouldn't be with out surfactant even on flore
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: tom20001 on April 29, 2021, 09:27:42 pm
Do you not just use good old fairy liquid?
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: mjm on May 01, 2021, 02:51:39 pm
Do you not just use good old fairy liquid?


no
why  is fairy better     
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Splash & dash on May 01, 2021, 11:45:15 pm
Do you not just use good old fairy liquid?


no
why  is fairy better     



Don’t use washing up liquid in hypo products it’s dangerous , it’s not compatible it will go like a thick gell in the bottom of the tank and finally it’s illegal although many on hear will disagree with what I have said I have posted the relevant information on hear numerous times all the information is on the HSE website about what can and cannot be added to hypo . This is the simplified version put in plain English if you want the technical terminology it’s on the HSE web site (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1619909105_0FC3ACB5-33B3-4029-A754-78381F19EA49.png)(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1619909105_04DABC6F-F3F9-4CC1-9203-33A87DAF4483.png)
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: the king on May 02, 2021, 06:47:08 am
Do you not just use good old fairy liquid?
fairy is not a good idea in my view clever wash is designed to mix with hypo i was under the impression mixing fairy with hypo can cause musterd gas
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Smudger on May 02, 2021, 12:30:52 pm
Do you not just use good old fairy liquid?
fairy is not a good idea in my view clever wash is designed to mix with hypo i was under the impression mixing fairy with hypo can cause musterd gas

Your getting confused with ammonia and acids

Darran
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: mjm on May 02, 2021, 02:11:58 pm
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Splash & dash on May 02, 2021, 02:42:13 pm
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy



Wise choice 😂😂 on a serous note  you only need 300 ml of surfactant per 20 ltr neat drum of hypo so at between £20-45 per 5 ltr of surfactant ( depending what you use )  it’s cheap as chips anyway .
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: mjm on May 02, 2021, 03:01:48 pm
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy



Wise choice 😂😂 on a serous note  you only need 300 ml of surfactant per 20 ltr neat drum of hypo so at between £20-45 per 5 ltr of surfactant ( depending what you use )  it’s cheap as chips anyway .

Nice one 👍.   
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: tom20001 on May 03, 2021, 10:23:47 am
Thanks Lads I'll look up the surfactant. Whats the one you buy called Darran? Ive been using the fairy since day one I thought it was ok but there you go. Cheers
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: zesty on May 03, 2021, 12:27:53 pm
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy



Wise choice 😂😂 on a serous note  you only need 300 ml of surfactant per 20 ltr neat drum of hypo so at between £20-45 per 5 ltr of surfactant ( depending what you use )  it’s cheap as chips anyway .

How does that work when adding water though? Let’s say you’ve got a 100 litre barrel and have 20-30l of hypo and the test water, surely you’d need way more surfactant than 4-500ml...

As you know I’ve always Used fairy, and only need a small amount in my barrel to make it ‘stick’
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Splash & dash on May 03, 2021, 03:22:41 pm
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy



Wise choice 😂😂 on a serous note  you only need 300 ml of surfactant per 20 ltr neat drum of hypo so at between £20-45 per 5 ltr of surfactant ( depending what you use )  it’s cheap as chips anyway .

How does that work when adding water though? Let’s say you’ve got a 100 litre barrel and have 20-30l of hypo and the test water, surely you’d need way more surfactant than 4-500ml...

As you know I’ve always Used fairy, and only need a small amount in my barrel to make it ‘stick’




It’s 300 ml of surfactant to a neat drum of hypo ,then you dilute the hypo down to 4-1 or what ever
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: zesty on May 03, 2021, 04:48:19 pm
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy



Wise choice 😂😂 on a serous note  you only need 300 ml of surfactant per 20 ltr neat drum of hypo so at between £20-45 per 5 ltr of surfactant ( depending what you use )  it’s cheap as chips anyway .

How does that work when adding water though? Let’s say you’ve got a 100 litre barrel and have 20-30l of hypo and the test water, surely you’d need way more surfactant than 4-500ml...

As you know I’ve always Used fairy, and only need a small amount in my barrel to make it ‘stick’




It’s 300 ml of surfactant to a neat drum of hypo ,then you dilute the hypo down to 4-1 or what ever

I actually put less than that in my mixes with fairy. I’ll try clever wash and see what the difference there is.
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Splash & dash on May 03, 2021, 05:41:31 pm
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy



Wise choice 😂😂 on a serous note  you only need 300 ml of surfactant per 20 ltr neat drum of hypo so at between £20-45 per 5 ltr of surfactant ( depending what you use )  it’s cheap as chips anyway .

How does that work when adding water though? Let’s say you’ve got a 100 litre barrel and have 20-30l of hypo and the test water, surely you’d need way more surfactant than 4-500ml...

As you know I’ve always Used fairy, and only need a small amount in my barrel to make it ‘stick’




It’s 300 ml of surfactant to a neat drum of hypo ,then you dilute the hypo down to 4-1 or what ever

I actually put less than that in my mixes with fairy. I’ll try clever wash and see what the difference there is.




Cleverwash is good stuff but is around £45 for  5 ltr  the Lauryl one is £18 for 5 ltr  I don’t find any difference between them to(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1620060074_2920D2CE-591A-4B80-BC36-90729E954B4B.jpeg) be honest
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: zesty on May 03, 2021, 07:26:27 pm
£45 seems silly expensive.

I’ve heard a few people use lauryl, might give that a go!
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Splash & dash on May 03, 2021, 08:36:14 pm
£45 seems silly expensive.

I’ve heard a few people use lauryl, might give that a go!


It sounds expensive at£45 but that will treat around 13 drums of neat hypo so it’s cheap as chips really , obviously the Lauryl  one is cheaper again
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Smudger on May 03, 2021, 10:46:31 pm
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114739453002?ViewItem=&item=114739453002
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: mjm on May 04, 2021, 07:33:11 am
https://www.bonnymans.co.uk/cart?appSectionParams=%7B%22origin%22%3A%22product-page%22%7D

This Is who I get mine off I like to get from 1 supplier.   


I haven't used the sent. Masker so I will give it a whirl
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Mike Halliday on May 04, 2021, 09:26:05 am
Thanks for clarifying I will carry on using the surfactant.   ??? Not fairy



Wise choice 😂😂 on a serous note  you only need 300 ml of surfactant per 20 ltr neat drum of hypo so at between £20-45 per 5 ltr of surfactant ( depending what you use )  it’s cheap as chips anyway .

How does that work when adding water though? Let’s say you’ve got a 100 litre barrel and have 20-30l of hypo and the test water, surely you’d need way more surfactant than 4-500ml...

As you know I’ve always Used fairy, and only need a small amount in my barrel to make it ‘stick’




It’s 300 ml of surfactant to a neat drum of hypo ,then you dilute the hypo down to 4-1 or what ever

I actually put less than that in my mixes with fairy. I’ll try clever wash and see what the difference there is.




Cleverwash is good stuff but is around £45 for  5 ltr  the Lauryl one is £18 for 5 ltr  I don’t find any difference between them to(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1620060074_2920D2CE-591A-4B80-BC36-90729E954B4B.jpeg) be honest

Look at the MSDS  and you will see the amount of active ingredient , which really you should do with every solution you buy just so you can see how much you are paying for H2O (which is often the biggest ingredient ;)  )
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Smudger on May 04, 2021, 06:00:52 pm
I thought the biggest ingredient in most of these chemicals was BS

Darran
Title: Re: surfactant use
Post by: Mike Halliday on May 04, 2021, 07:11:23 pm
I thought the biggest ingredient in most of these chemicals was BS

Darran

Nearly right........ it’s the biggest ingredient in the marketing of these products ;)