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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: paul alan on April 30, 2017, 07:40:33 pm
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Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .
I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.
I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.
Mines a 2012 t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?
Cheers
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I think the fuel tank does sit length ways between the van's chassis rails. If he is going to secure the tank through the chassis then there shouldn't be any reason why he would have to lower the tank. Much would depend on where you want the tank fitted and its orientation. He would need to keep a 'distance' from the tank securing 'straps' as he will also need to fit spreader plates behind the nuts.
It should be reasonably easy to draw a conclusion by having an inspection under the van and doing a few measurements.
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Spruce, you are very informative on these matters, and indeed a credit and invaluable asset to this forum😉
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Spruce, you are very informative on these matters, and indeed a credit and invaluable asset to this forum😉
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I bolted mine in myself on my transit and did not need to drop the tank.
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The guys just had a look at it, he seems fine with it.
Cheers.
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers
Eye bolts and I will install them with spreader plates.
http://www.gsproducts.co.uk/12mm-50mm-stainless-steel-long-shank-eye-bolt/
And straps like these
https://www.liftinggear-shop.co.uk/ratchet-strap-5000kg-width-50-mm-length-9-mtr.html?gclid=CMb1gYHIz9MCFUHgGwodMMkFjA
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Thanks lee, are you confident theyll do the job?
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The breaking load of the M12 is rated at 2500kg, so there will be 6, and 3 ratchet straps rated at 5000kg. So yes I feel happy with this, they look a lot more robust than the standard tie down points already in the van, I don't really see that it will be much different to having a tank bolted down. I will still have the tank around the frame, just the straps will hold it all down rather than permanent bolts.
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
It's a good idea, but wouldn't this be still classed as a modification? (i.e, the modification is adding lashing points?)
If so and it increases your premium as a result (will it?) then surely it'd make more sense to just bolt down the cage with spreaders?
Either way your premium might be higher (a, mine didn't go up even with a tank bolted down and b, this is all under the assumption that what you're doing will be classed as a mod) so why not just bolt down the cage...?
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The tank isn't a modification as it won't be permanent because it will be held in with straps. Insurance premiums seem to have shot up in the last month. The cheapest I can get insurance for with the tank as a modification is roughly £800, but having it strapped it I can get it for £440.
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Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .
I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.
I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.
Mines a 2012 t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?
Cheers
your going to be struggling for payload with a 650 tank in a t280.
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I have someone whos an engineer
;D ;D ;D
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Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .
I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.
I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.
Mines a 2012 t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?
Cheers
your going to be struggling for payload with a 650 tank in a t280.
been using t280s for 4 years with 650ltr in them, its rated at about 1000kg payload.
Will this cause me problems?
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I have someone whos an engineer
;D ;D ;D
My brother in law, he's a qualified engineer of 15 years.
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Im going to get a 650ltr tank and frame a used 1 .
I have someone whos an engineer thats going to bolt it into the chassis for me but I cant be sure he knows the ins/outs of bolting a water tank in van.
I have also heard that on a transit swb theres a possibilty depending on model that the fuel tank may have to be dropped in order to do the job.
Mines a 2012 t280 swb, anyone got any experience/knowledge?
Cheers
your going to be struggling for payload with a 650 tank in a t280.
been using t280s for 4 years with 650ltr in them, its rated at about 1000kg payload.
Will this cause me problems?
With the weight of the water , your weight , the weight of the tank and frame , the diesel and all the other bits you could well be over , only a problem if you caught though! ;D
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I know not much of this(possibly obvious) but what problems can being over cause?
Most days are 4-500 ltrs I always fill the tank up as "you never know"
Maybe I wont now
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I know not much of this(possibly obvious) but what problems can being over cause?
Most days are 4-500 ltrs I always fill the tank up as "you never know"
Maybe I wont now
main problem is the big fine if you get caught , being a little bit over first thing is unlikely to cause any real issues if you drive with care.
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The T280 is fine for a 650 liter tank with other normal day to day window cleaning equipment.
But you have to be careful. Ford have replaced the 2.0tdci engine with the 2.2 which is heavier. Citroen uprated their van specs from 2800kgs to 3000kgs to compensate using the same engine. But Ford have chosen to stick with the 2800kg GVW (T280) so the payload is reduced from 1188kgs to around 1100kgs.
The T260 is around 990kg payload.
The only way to be sure in to go on Grippa's payload checker and find out. Ford have produced so many model variants and each van will have a different payload - ie; standard roof, medium roof, high roof swb,mwb etc.
If you want increased payload then you have to go up to the next 'T', ie, T330 like the RAC vans.
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my local garage took my eyebolts out and replaced with fabricated angle iron and bolted my frame down to the eyebolt holes so no drilling through the floor.so no modification to the van. :)
so when i come to sell the van/hand it back to lease company i simply unscrew 4 bolts,replace the eyebolts and bobs your uncle. ;D
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I do not condone breaking laws.
In 34 years never once been pulled over ny the rozzers ! How many you think driving round with red diesel ?
No police on the roads now, only speed cameras and bus lanes to worry about stealing your hard earnrd money ::)roll
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The T280 is fine for a 650 liter tank with other normal day to day window cleaning equipment.
But you have to be careful. Ford have replaced the 2.0tdci engine with the 2.2 which is heavier. Citroen uprated their van specs from 2800kgs to 3000kgs to compensate using the same engine. But Ford have chosen to stick with the 2800kg GVW (T280) so the payload is reduced from 1188kgs to around 1100kgs.
The T260 is around 990kg payload.
The only way to be sure in to go on Grippa's payload checker and find out. Ford have produced so many model variants and each van will have a different payload - ie; standard roof, medium roof, high roof swb,mwb etc.
If you want increased payload then you have to go up to the next 'T', ie, T330 like the RAC vans.
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My mistake , apologies , i thought he had a t260 , must have read it wrong.
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
my local garage took my eyebolts out and replaced with fabricated angle iron and bolted my frame down to the eyebolt holes so no drilling through the floor.so no modification to the van. :)
so when i come to sell the van/hand it back to lease company i simply unscrew 4 bolts,replace the eyebolts and bobs your uncle. ;D
That is both still classed as a modification.
If your van or car is any different then how it left the factory, it will be classed as a modification and will therefore need to be declared.
This even includes factory fit options that were not fitted at assembly line but installed later by the dealer. Some insurance companies will even ask you to declare simple stickers on the car or van. You can't make this stuff up but this is UK insurance.
Now I'm not saying don't or do declare it, I'm just stating that if you were to be in an accident and the claims assessor is anywhere decent at his job he will point it out. It's a fine line between being insured and not. By law the insurers are still obliged to pay out third party but they'll come back at you like a ton of bricks.
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my local garage took my eyebolts out and replaced with fabricated angle iron and bolted my frame down to the eyebolt holes so no drilling through the floor.so no modification to the van. :)
so when i come to sell the van/hand it back to lease company i simply unscrew 4 bolts,replace the eyebolts and bobs your uncle. ;D
Hi Dazmond,
how's the new van going ? Has the novelty worn off yet ? Could you take a photo of the way you have installed your tank and post it on the forum for me ? Just ordered my Connect L2 240 .
Thanking you in advance
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers
Eye bolts and I will install them with spreader plates.
http://www.gsproducts.co.uk/12mm-50mm-stainless-steel-long-shank-eye-bolt/
And straps like these
https://www.liftinggear-shop.co.uk/ratchet-strap-5000kg-width-50-mm-length-9-mtr.html?gclid=CMb1gYHIz9MCFUHgGwodMMkFjA
Hi Lee,
how's the installation going ? Did you order those SS long shank eye bolts ? Could you take a picture (or two of your installation ;D) I have just ordered my Connect 240 L2 and need some inspiration .
Thanking you in advance
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I know not much of this(possibly obvious) but what problems can being over cause?
Most days are 4-500 ltrs I always fill the tank up as "you never know"
Maybe I wont now
I havn't been pulled over in 30 years in the van !
main problem is the big fine if you get caught , being a little bit over first thing is unlikely to cause any real issues if you drive with care.
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Could have benn running on red all them years and saved a fortune ;D ;D ;D
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Not bolting next talk in v ???an, too much insurance, Going to make it a load not a permanent fixture. Stupid insurance
I'm in the middle of doing the same with my new van. I am going to fit my own stainless steel eye bolts with spreader plates underneath but use straps to hold the tank down.
interesting.....what type of steel eye bolts? What kind of straps? Cheers
Eye bolts and I will install them with spreader plates.
http://www.gsproducts.co.uk/12mm-50mm-stainless-steel-long-shank-eye-bolt/
And straps like these
https://www.liftinggear-shop.co.uk/ratchet-strap-5000kg-width-50-mm-length-9-mtr.html?gclid=CMb1gYHIz9MCFUHgGwodMMkFjA
Hi Lee,
how's the installation going ? Did you order those SS long shank eye bolts ? Could you take a picture (or two of your installation ;D) I have just ordered my Connect 240 L2 and need some inspiration .
Thanking you in advance
Yes I test the eye bolts, they are far more heavy duty than the factory fit fixing points.
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/31E7D2C1-A8F7-4144-BDDF-60E9CFFA734C.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/31E7D2C1-A8F7-4144-BDDF-60E9CFFA734C.jpg.html)
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Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?
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Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?
The answer is neither of them is a mod just as that painted floor isn't, it doesn't make the vehicle anymore likely to be stolen
or change the original factory safety/power specs which are the definition of a vehicle modification.
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Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?
The answer is neither of them is a mod just as that painted floor isn't, it doesn't make the vehicle anymore likely to be stolen
or change the original factory safety/power specs which are the definition of a vehicle modification.
That's not what I asked Lee (oh wait...)
And you might want to actually read up on your definitions buddy, I'm not sure the definition of 'vehicle modifications' are limited to just those two things. You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but I sure hope that if you get into a serious crash that you get away with it if you use your definition as an argument....
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Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?
When a water tank it bolted in, it is classed as being permanently fitted so only a few companies will provide insurance at what is now (for me) a massively over inflated price, for me to insure the van with the tank bolted in, my premium is double, £800.
Fitting eye bolts is an acceptable modification for any insurance company just like installing racking, you just tell the insurance company that you have done it and the don't really care and don't increase the premium.
Strapping the tank to the eye bolts is classed as carriage of own goods, the van is not over weight, and is like carrying any other load, like going to bq and having a pallet of bricks put in the back of your van.
So is insured, the insurance know there are eye bolts fitted, and I am carrying my own goods without being screwed and I'm confident that they are a hell of a lot stronger than the manufacturers tie down points, and just as safe as a bolted in tank.
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Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?
When a water tank it bolted in, it is classed as being permanently fitted so only a few companies will provide insurance at what is now (for me) a massively over inflated price, for me to insure the van with the tank bolted in, my premium is double, £800.
Fitting eye bolts is an acceptable modification for any insurance company just like installing racking, you just tell the insurance company that you have done it and the don't really care and don't increase the premium.
Strapping the tank to the eye bolts is classed as carriage of own goods, the van is not over weight, and is like carrying any other load, like going to bq and having a pallet of bricks put in the back of your van.
So is insured, the insurance know there are eye bolts fitted, and I am carrying my own goods without being screwed and I'm confident that they are a hell of a lot stronger than the manufacturers tie down points, and just as safe as a bolted in tank.
massively helpfull , cheers!
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Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?
When a water tank it bolted in, it is classed as being permanently fitted so only a few companies will provide insurance at what is now (for me) a massively over inflated price, for me to insure the van with the tank bolted in, my premium is double, £800.
Fitting eye bolts is an acceptable modification for any insurance company just like installing racking, you just tell the insurance company that you have done it and the don't really care and don't increase the premium.
Strapping the tank to the eye bolts is classed as carriage of own goods, the van is not over weight, and is like carrying any other load, like going to bq and having a pallet of bricks put in the back of your van.
So is insured, the insurance know there are eye bolts fitted, and I am carrying my own goods without being screwed and I'm confident that they are a hell of a lot stronger than the manufacturers tie down points, and just as safe as a bolted in tank.
Makes a lot of sense, cheers 👍👍👍
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Looks good Lee but how it that any less of a mod than bolting a cage into the floor...?
The answer is neither of them is a mod just as that painted floor isn't, it doesn't make the vehicle anymore likely to be stolen
or change the original factory safety/power specs which are the definition of a vehicle modification.
That's not what I asked Lee (oh wait...)
And you might want to actually read up on your definitions buddy, I'm not sure the definition of 'vehicle modifications' are limited to just those two things. You might not like it, you might not agree with it, but I sure hope that if you get into a serious crash that you get away with it if you use your definition as an argument....
Unfortunately I already have and already did, twice.
I should have said categories instead of definitions but I'm sure most will get the meaning, maybe you should stop listening to
old wives tales and urban myths about the big bad insurance company looking for the smallest little loophole to get out of
paying and actually do a little research on your rights under UK law.
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Thanks Lee for the photo and posting a reply, Much appreciated. I was thinking of using the existing lashing points . 6 are provided on a Ford transit connect. I will be using 4 of them and bolting my angle iron to them using your bolts you have sourced and then ratchet strapping the tank to the angle iron.. Obviously this is just theory at the moment just churning ideas over.
Anyway thanks for your photo and reply .
Dazmond how are things with your install? Any pictures you could possibly post would be appreciated .
Best regards
Leroy
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ill take some pics today leroy and post them later when i get in from work. :)
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Dazmond ,
how are ? Did you manage to take those photographs for me of your system ? Looking forward to seeing them.
Much appreciated.
Leroy
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sorry mate ill get on it today and post them later. :)
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sorry mate i cant upload the photo.its saying its too large.been trying for ages leroy.
best wishes
dazmond
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Ok Dazmond,
thank you so much for trying . If at all possible if you have a phone capable could you email them to me ? If so my email is info@sublimeshinewindowcleaning.co.uk
Thanking you in advance
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email sent mate. :)