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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Marc Stock on April 20, 2017, 01:53:23 pm
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Ok chaps, couple of peeps have asked about using Bio washing detergent on 1st cleans.
It works very very well. Better than anything else you will ever use. Your brush will be spotless too. I mean actually white like the moon. And it's cheap a box of Bio powder a couple of quid, I charge a premium for Bio washing also.
You see the majority of the muck is biological matter, Bio washing power will completely digest and remove the matter leaving it as new.
This is the moment those who spent lots of money on soft washing systems go the way of the people on the purple bricks adverts.....
Anyway...Back to work
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My cat drowned in the washing machine.................. at least he died in Comfort.
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Ok chaps, couple of peeps have asked about using Bio washing detergent on 1st cleans.
It works very very well. Better than anything else you will ever use. Your brush will be spotless too. I mean actually white like the moon. And it's cheap a box of Bio powder a couple of quid, I charge a premium for Bio washing also.
You see the majority of the muck is biological matter, Bio washing power will completely digest and remove the matter leaving it as new.
This is the moment those who spent lots of money on soft washing systems go the way of the people on the purple bricks adverts.....
Anyway...Back to work
Marc,
Are you talking about Windows or Render?
Andy
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Works for both.
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Hi Marc.
So backpack pure water how much powder?
(can I put a couple of pairs of pants in the backpack on quickwask😉)
Or is it bucket with pure and bio and dip brush in.
Any guide lines on amount of powder.
Have you ever used the liquid detergent.
Thanks lee
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Did a first clean this afternoon with Virosol and the Med Soft Ultimate I was using got stained black. Wouldn't wash out with pure only. Stuck it in a bowl with hot water and a little Daz and 30 seconds later got a lovely white brush again. Got another first clean tomorrow. Might give this a go.
I take it your using cold water Marc?
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14000 spin cycle after the final rinse should do the trick. Don't forget to add softner for the bag. Mind the cat in the bag might not be able to hold it's breath for very long but at least it should come out clean, all fluffy and soft. lol
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Did a first clean this afternoon with Virosol and the Med Soft Ultimate I was using got stained black. Wouldn't wash out with pure only. Stuck it in a bowl with hot water and a little Daz and 30 seconds later got a lovely white brush again. Got another first clean tomorrow. Might give this a go.
I take it your using cold water Marc?
Why not try next dissolving a dishwasher tablet thingy and add some rinse aid to the hot pure water mix as well. You never know it might work even better. lol
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Hi Marc.
So backpack pure water how much powder?
(can I put a couple of pairs of pants in the backpack on quickwask😉)
Or is it bucket with pure and bio and dip brush in.
Any guide lines on amount of powder.
Have you ever used the liquid detergent.
Thanks lee
I use the powder as it's easier to apply to the brush.
I simply fill a bucket with pure water and sling some Bio powder in it.
Dip and scrub. Leave on for a few minutes and wash off. You will be amazed.
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Did a first clean this afternoon with Virosol and the Med Soft Ultimate I was using got stained black. Wouldn't wash out with pure only. Stuck it in a bowl with hot water and a little Daz and 30 seconds later got a lovely white brush again. Got another first clean tomorrow. Might give this a go.
I take it your using cold water Marc?
Yes cold water.
I must stress that it must be Bio powder.
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Did a first clean this afternoon with Virosol and the Med Soft Ultimate I was using got stained black. Wouldn't wash out with pure only. Stuck it in a bowl with hot water and a little Daz and 30 seconds later got a lovely white brush again. Got another first clean tomorrow. Might give this a go.
I take it your using cold water Marc?
Yes cold water.
I must stress that it must be Bio powder.
Why is that then Marc?
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Because it's the Biological enzymes that break down and digest the muck.
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Cheers Marc I'm going to try this out.
I'm loving the screwfix degreaser but it's always good to have plenty of options for different situations.
Do you think the liquid detergent mixed in a backpack would work well?
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Thanks Marc.
I'll try this out.
Are you a Daz, Bold, Aeriel lover.
Or do you get whatever's on special 😁
Chris what's the screwfix degreaser for, Upvc?
Is it called pvc now?
Can we change the name back because of brexit😁
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This may well be handy for self-cleaning conservatory roof glass. Virosol screws that stuff right over. It can be rectified but best that it doesn’t happen in the first place.
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This may well be handy for self-cleaning conservatory roof glass. Virosol screws that stuff right over. It can be rectified but best that it doesn’t happen in the first place.
Whats it do to it then?
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Makes it lose its clearness, it looks as if its frosted glass. Best way to describe it. Try it, you’ll see.
There is a way to reverse the damage. Its quite simple.
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Makes it lose its clearness, it looks as if its frosted glass. Best way to describe it. Try it, you’ll see.
There is a way to reverse the damage. Its quite simple.
elaborate on the quite simple?
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I never ask if the glass is self cleaning, maybe time to start as i always use virisol.
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Sodium Percarbonate is the bleaching ingredient. I've got a big bag of it. Used it on some filthy gutters last year and it pretty much loosened up all the the badly soiled parts nicely.
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Cheers Marc I'm going to try this out.
I'm loving the screwfix degreaser but it's always good to have plenty of options for different situations.
Do you think the liquid detergent mixed in a backpack would work well?
Possibly but you are going to need to wash it off afterwards. So I would go with dipping in a bucket
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Thanks Marc.
I'll try this out.
Are you a Daz, Bold, Aeriel lover.
Or do you get whatever's on special 😁
Chris what's the screwfix degreaser for, Upvc?
Is it called pvc now?
Can we change the name back because of brexit😁
Any Bio powder will do. Just make sure it's biological washing powder or it won't work.
Cheaper the better, I use co op powder
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This may well be handy for self-cleaning conservatory roof glass. Virosol screws that stuff right over. It can be rectified but best that it doesn’t happen in the first place.
How do they rectify it, I'm always very careful with self cleaning glass, i didn't know it could be fixed.
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Here you go.
This is the sort of result I get with Bio washing powder.
1st pic is the detergent digesting the muck
2nd pic is before and after
3rd pic is more muck digesting
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Nice, what sort of dwell time?
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Marc i cleaned a con roof today with tesco own brand bio washing powder, very very good indeed.
I poured some into the top filter in a Gardiner's backpack, mixed with pure and sprayed all over the roof. Left it for 5 mins then scrubbed on a low flow before rinsing off with a high flow.
Is it better then screwfix, virasol, ubik etc...?
Yes!
Amazing results, it really 'eats' the dirt effectively.
Also you don't get bleeding from black seals like you nearly always do with the others.
This will be my go to now for fsg and con roofs. Screwfix will be good in a spray bottle as a quick spot on treatment for dirty windows.
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Nice, what sort of dwell time?
It's pretty much instant as the dirt just desolves away.
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I've just mixed up some gel in a spray bottle (smells nice) will give it a go tomorrow on a gutter job.
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I zoomed in on your before and after pic but I can still see the rain lines or am I just seeing things
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Interesting, thanks Marc.
As for self-cleaning glass and virisol. Last year I used Virisol on a self cleaning glass conservatory roof. It completely buggered the glass, made it look frosted/misty. If I was the owner and left it like that I'd would've been suing me.
Anyway, the owner phoned the manufacturer and the solution is to spray descaler on. It worked a treat and restored the glass back to its original condition.
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Would this washing powder be safe/ practical to use on conservatory roof's/ finials ?
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i bought a small box of tesco bio washing powder today.ill try it out on my next conny roof job.cheers marc.
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i bought a small box of tesco bio washing powder today.ill try it out on my next conny roof job.cheers marc.
Let us know how you get on
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Would this washing powder be safe/ practical to use on conservatory roof's/ finials ?
Yes not a problem. I have used it before on conservatory roofs
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Would this washing powder be safe/ practical to use on conservatory roof's/ finials ?
Yes not a problem. I have used it before on conservatory roofs
Cheers , this might come in handy 👌
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Here you go.
This is the sort of result I get with Bio washing powder.
1st pic is the detergent digesting the muck
2nd pic is before and after
3rd pic is more muck digesting
Looks cleaner than it did before but doesn't get rid of tiger stripes on that fascia.
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Tried it today. No real difference that using a good tfr tbh.
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Here you go.
This is the sort of result I get with Bio washing powder.
1st pic is the detergent digesting the muck
2nd pic is before and after
3rd pic is more muck digesting
Looks cleaner than it did before but doesn't get rid of tiger stripes on that fascia.
Nothing gets rid of tiger stripes, unless your using softwash chems of course which alot of us don't.
I did find that bio washing powder significantly fades tiger stripes, more so then other chemicals.
The stubborn ones around a con i cleaned yesterday I soaked in washing powder then gave a quick rub with a non scratch scourer. They disappeared easily.
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Tried it today. No real difference that using a good tfr tbh.
Thats still a good difference.
Washing powder can be bought anywhere plus it's super cheap in the long run. Big tub of tesco own brand is what, £4 for around 40 + washes? That's 40+ fascia or con cleans. I never get that out of a 5 litre chemical bottle, unless i mix a really weak formula.
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First try with bio gel today. Don't think it's better than G101 but smells good.
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Interesting, thanks Marc.
As for self-cleaning glass and virisol. Last year I used Virisol on a self cleaning glass conservatory roof. It completely buggered the glass, made it look frosted/misty. If I was the owner and left it like that I'd would've been suing me.
Anyway, the owner phoned the manufacturer and the solution is to spray descaler on. It worked a treat and restored the glass back to its original condition.
Good to know, cheers for updating.
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Well tried it today
What can I say, Amazing
I really spend out because we're down south and bought a £6 bio liquid says 40 washes
And put 1/4 in back pack
Low setting sprayed on roof left 5 mins? Then high flow at 60 just brushed and rinsed took good rinsing but there was no effort in the scrub needed
This was a very dirty black roof allocated 2.5 hours
Done with ease in just over 1 hours, so an additiiaonl cost 75 Pence a roof to take off over half the clean time for the same initial charge
So Marc A very large thank you
I think it will be used on soffits and fascia in future
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Just make sure you rinse the stuff off REALLY well!
I cleaned my own windows with bio powder, sprayed them up first, scrubbed then rinsed as normal.
2 hours later the sun came out and they looked terrible :o
White chalky streaks everywhere.
Im thinking maybe the liquid would be better suited on glass surfaces, powder for fascias.
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Just make sure you rinse the stuff off REALLY well!
I cleaned my own windows with bio powder, sprayed them up first, scrubbed then rinsed as normal.
2 hours later the sun came out and they looked terrible :o
White chalky streaks everywhere.
Im thinking maybe the liquid would be better suited on glass surfaces, powder for fascias.
Yes you have to make sure you rinse it off very well
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Today i used it for first time and thought i'ld try on a fascia, gutter n soffit clean.
Yep it works well.......but......the drive was a printed concrete drive and the property had lovely black painted iron gates. Once i had finished applying to the front i went to the joining neighbours to clean theirs. Thankfully they wasnt bad and so just used hot water from my tank and they came up lovely. Went back to rinse the soap off and the drive was covered with white dried soap residue along with the gate and the bins. They had no outside tap so i couldnt blast with water to rinse other than use my cloths n wfp. It took me forever to do....the gutters etc looked lovely but it added a whole lot of time to the job.
The rear of the property i stuck to ubik and hot water and it took no time to clean.
I think i will use it on conny roofs as all the soap n rinse will go down the gutters etc but dont think its a good idea on fascias etc
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First pole I ever used was the old Tuckers and I used the soap dispenser for doing new cleans as it brought the plastic up lovely but had to thoroughly rinse all the detergent off. Easy way to tell iff all the soap is off is when they stop bubbling up when the water is suppose to be cascading down in a nice smooth sheeting effect :)
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Today i used it for first time and thought i'ld try on a fascia, gutter n soffit clean.
Yep it works well.......but......the drive was a printed concrete drive and the property had lovely black painted iron gates. Once i had finished applying to the front i went to the joining neighbours to clean theirs. Thankfully they wasnt bad and so just used hot water from my tank and they came up lovely. Went back to rinse the soap off and the drive was covered with white dried soap residue along with the gate and the bins. They had no outside tap so i couldnt blast with water to rinse other than use my cloths n wfp. It took me forever to do....the gutters etc looked lovely but it added a whole lot of time to the job.
The rear of the property i stuck to ubik and hot water and it took no time to clean.
I think i will use it on conny roofs as all the soap n rinse will go down the gutters etc but dont think its a good idea on fascias etc
Perhaps you used a little too much Nathan.
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Interesting, thanks Marc.
As for self-cleaning glass and virisol. Last year I used Virisol on a self cleaning glass conservatory roof. It completely buggered the glass, made it look frosted/misty. If I was the owner and left it like that I'd would've been suing me.
Anyway, the owner phoned the manufacturer and the solution is to spray descaler on. It worked a treat and restored the glass back to its original condition.
I think your dilution might be slightly off mate, been using Virosol on self cleaning glass for years, not a problem? Never tried it neat or in high concentrations, but I reckon that could be the problem.
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Today i used it for first time and thought i'ld try on a fascia, gutter n soffit clean.
Yep it works well.......but......the drive was a printed concrete drive and the property had lovely black painted iron gates. Once i had finished applying to the front i went to the joining neighbours to clean theirs. Thankfully they wasnt bad and so just used hot water from my tank and they came up lovely. Went back to rinse the soap off and the drive was covered with white dried soap residue along with the gate and the bins. They had no outside tap so i couldnt blast with water to rinse other than use my cloths n wfp. It took me forever to do....the gutters etc looked lovely but it added a whole lot of time to the job.
The rear of the property i stuck to ubik and hot water and it took no time to clean.
I think i will use it on conny roofs as all the soap n rinse will go down the gutters etc but dont think its a good idea on fascias etc
Do you use hot now then? ;D
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People have raved about this no nonsense degreaser from screefix,I did a big weatherboard clean this morning and I wasn't impressed tbh
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People have raved about this no nonsense degreaser from screefix,I did a big weatherboard clean this morning and I wasn't impressed tbh
What dilution rate did you use?
I pre mix in a 25 litre barrel with 1 litre of no nonsense, works great.
Wet surface first, spray up with no nonsense, leave a few mins then scrub.
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I used about that almost neat sprayed on and left it,no better than fairy liquid tbh
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Are you all adding the powder to a sprayer and applying it before cleaning or if it's liquid putting it in the same,what dilution you using.
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If I'm honest I don't believe bio washing powder is any better or worse that other chemicals you can use, we are taking about taking dirt off an impervious(sp) surface. We need wetting agents to break surface tension, a chemical to hold the dirt in suspension so it can be rinsed Away and something To stop rapid evaporation.
Washing powder has most of these things (its what it does to our clothes in the machine) so will have a cleaning effect on UPVC & polycarbon sheets but I cannot see what else it has that makes it better. bio washing also contains specific enzymes to break down fat, proteins & sugars , will this help to clean what we use it on? ..... I'm not totally Convinced
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powder and cold water doesn't work well through a backpack
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If I'm honest I don't believe bio washing powder is any better or worse that other chemicals you can use, we are taking about taking dirt off an impervious(sp) surface. We need wetting agents to break surface tension, a chemical to hold the dirt in suspension so it can be rinsed Away and something To stop rapid evaporation.
Washing powder has most of these things (its what it does to our clothes in the machine) so will have a cleaning effect on UPVC & polycarbon sheets but I cannot see what else it has that makes it better. bio washing also contains specific enzymes to break down fat, proteins & sugars , will this help to clean what we use it on? ..... I'm not totally Convinced
Like your website. Simple and easy to use
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Well been waiting to try my Bio washing liquid on a 1st clean since this tread was posted and yesterday I did, the truth is results were first class, the frames came up gleaming and I would say the effort was about halved, I only did a bungalow and a modest semi but both had been a long time since a windie had last seen them. I was very pleased, just wet the window and frame squirted some directly onto the brush and aggitated in, did not get a dramatic amount of foam but was using cold water (apparently it suds up more with warm), did all like that, then just treated as a maintanance clean, results perfect!!! :D
I did go for the best (Persil Bio), but it was only £3-25 from Super savers, ill definatly be using again on first cleans or scuffy UPVC frames.
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Anyone still using this method? I have some fiberglass roofing and stone flags to clean- light to medium soiled. Don't really want to power wash as it's on a balcony/terrace thing.
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Here you go.
This is the sort of result I get with Bio washing powder.
1st pic is the detergent digesting the muck
2nd pic is before and after
3rd pic is more muck digesting
Looks good but I dont see that it is any better than virosol or any branded cleaner I did try it after you posted about this before we found it slow to apply compared with backpack sprayer and virosol and the finished results were no better we did half the property with the bio and half with virosol , the bio was a lot slower to use and more scrubbing required to remove the stickey residues, so now use the virosol
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Marc i cleaned a con roof today with tesco own brand bio washing powder, very very good indeed.
I poured some into the top filter in a Gardiner's backpack, mixed with pure and sprayed all over the roof. Left it for 5 mins then scrubbed on a low flow before rinsing off with a high flow.
Is it better then screwfix, virasol, ubik etc...?
Yes!
Amazing results, it really 'eats' the dirt effectively.
Also you don't get bleeding from black seals like you nearly always do with the others.
This will be my go to now for fsg and con roofs. Screwfix will be good in a spray bottle as a quick spot on treatment for dirty windows.
Yes but it dries with white streaks unless you scrub like mad and use tons of water to get rid of it lots of stickey residue too virosol is so much easier to use and quicker although it is dearer but at 10-1 mix you don’t need a lot
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Today i used it for first time and thought i'ld try on a fascia, gutter n soffit clean.
Yep it works well.......but......the drive was a printed concrete drive and the property had lovely black painted iron gates. Once i had finished applying to the front i went to the joining neighbours to clean theirs. Thankfully they wasnt bad and so just used hot water from my tank and they came up lovely. Went back to rinse the soap off and the drive was covered with white dried soap residue along with the gate and the bins. They had no outside tap so i couldnt blast with water to rinse other than use my cloths n wfp. It took me forever to do....the gutters etc looked lovely but it added a whole lot of time to the job.
The rear of the property i stuck to ubik and hot water and it took no time to clean.
I think i will use it on conny roofs as all the soap n rinse will go down the gutters etc but dont think its a good idea on fascias etc
Exactly it takes far longer to get rid of the white chalky look on paths walls etc and windows I don’t think it’s a suitable product for this type of work yes it works but makes such a mess everywhere time taken to do the job is greatly increased , when it’s wet looks fine go back a couple of hours later and looks a right mess if you arnt careful especially if there are pools of water on the path when dry looks like watered down emulsion paint
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That's a NO then!
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It has to be BIOLOGICAL POWDER. For it to work.
If you are getting white stains everywhere your using too much!
You need to fill up your bucket with water and a small dose if bio powder. Agetate the brush in the bucket with the water dont put the powder directly on the brush, it won't work. You need the enzymes to be floating in the water and then put the water on the brush that way. If you just powder the brush all you are doing is chucking powder everywhere.
Now of course it wont remove non biological stains, chemcial stains will not come off. You need to use bleach or somethingnlike that.
But for the price of a quid, you can get good results. Trust me it does work. But you have to take each job on its own merits.
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i think ill stick with virosol and CIF for plastic cleans......never needed to use anything else for dirty add on jobs....
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I have a fascia, soffit and gutter clean, plus cladding next week; a day's work.
I think i'll stick with No Nonsense Degreaser and Cif.
Might try the bio powder, just for the hell of it.
Thanks for everyones input.