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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: andre w on August 04, 2016, 11:14:18 pm
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If you had to put a number on how many more times a Truckmount vac is more powerful than a portable vac what you say ?
So for instance an prochem Everest 408 tri flow
Vs an Ashbys enforcer how many more times x's would you say the Everest is over the enforcer am thinking a lot but can't put a number on it the Everest is 48hp but what is an enforcer ?
Obviously the psi is easy and plus the other considerations the heat ect put still can't put a number on it
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what is the point in this thread? :(
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There are too many variables to make an exact calculation, I remember prochem used to say in their marketing and I have seen it many times on truckmount owners vans... '20 times more powerful than portables machine ' but I don't think this is true.
I'm sure I have seen on the USA forums portable manufacturers have put a measurement instrument on the end of a 100ft of vacuum hose and measured the difference, but I can't remember the exact result. And theses results are always slightly suspect because they are not done independently and its in the interest to of the portable builder to show their machines have the power of a truckmounts.
I like to look at it from another angle, how much power you can pull out of a domestic electric socket which is a maximum of 3hp ( maybe slightly higher in some homes) so if your machine has 1 plug it cannot be higher than 3 HP ( slightly less as some of that power will be used by the pump) so 2 plugs will be 6hp...,, 3 plugs 9hp...... etc ......etc ...... etc
Now look at a 24hp truckmount, even if it has a big pump pushing out 1000psi ( which uses 3ph) then you still have 21hp left to drive th PDB vacuum unit which is 7 electric plugs worth of power.
Of course this is just theoretical and working on a truckmount working at 100% efficiency using the total energy available and my theory is biased as I'm a TM owner I'm sure a portable owner will have his own mathematics to prove that a portable has the power of a truckmount, but I would be interested in how he pulls more power out a electric socket than is available.
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Not sure to be honest, there must be a point where enough is adequate.
What I do know is having gone from a porty to a TM I wouldn't want to go back to a porty as my main machine.
There are several reasons for this not just vacuum for me.
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You could have the most powerful TM in the world that could suck up a Ford KA but it means diddly squat if you are unable to operate it correctly , I lost count of the amount of 'correctional' jobs we did after a TM operator had sucked to death carpets with heat and vacuum.
In answer to the question of course a TM is many times more powerful than a Portable, does not mean it will do a better job.
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How much does the Everest costs?
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30k
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That's the way I would look at it mike
Thanks
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There are too many variables to make an exact calculation, I remember prochem used to say in their marketing and I have seen it many times on truckmount owners vans... '20 times more powerful than portables machine ' but I don't think this is true.
I'm sure I have seen on the USA forums portable manufacturers have put a measurement instrument on the end of a 100ft of vacuum hose and measured the difference, but I can't remember the exact result. And theses results are always slightly suspect because they are not done independently and its in the interest to of the portable builder to show their machines have the power of a truckmounts.
I like to look at it from another angle, how much power you can pull out of a domestic electric socket which is a maximum of 3hp ( maybe slightly higher in some homes) so if your machine has 1 plug it cannot be higher than 3 HP ( slightly less as some of that power will be used by the pump) so 2 plugs will be 6hp...,, 3 plugs 9hp...... etc ......etc ...... etc
Now look at a 24hp truckmount, even if it has a big pump pushing out 1000psi ( which uses 3ph) then you still have 21hp left to drive th PDB vacuum unit which is 7 electric plugs worth of power.
Of course this is just theoretical and working on a truckmount working at 100% efficiency using the total energy available and my theory is biased as I'm a TM owner I'm sure a portable owner will have his own mathematics to prove that a portable has the power of a truckmount, but I would be interested in how he pulls more power out a electric socket than is available.
Isn't there another thread somewhere Mike that is about 30 pages long from years ago, us oldies will remember ;)
might be worth a search and a few hours of your life ploughing through it !
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The problem with some Truckmount owners is that they think they can blast the carpet to make it clean then move on based on pile it high, cleaning carpets is like making love to a beautiful woman peel away the layers first.
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There are too many variables to make an exact calculation, I remember prochem used to say in their marketing and I have seen it many times on truckmount owners vans... '20 times more powerful than portables machine ' but I don't think this is true.
I'm sure I have seen on the USA forums portable manufacturers have put a measurement instrument on the end of a 100ft of vacuum hose and measured the difference, but I can't remember the exact result. And theses results are always slightly suspect because they are not done independently and its in the interest to of the portable builder to show their machines have the power of a truckmounts.
I like to look at it from another angle, how much power you can pull out of a domestic electric socket which is a maximum of 3hp ( maybe slightly higher in some homes) so if your machine has 1 plug it cannot be higher than 3 HP ( slightly less as some of that power will be used by the pump) so 2 plugs will be 6hp...,, 3 plugs 9hp...... etc ......etc ...... etc
Now look at a 24hp truckmount, even if it has a big pump pushing out 1000psi ( which uses 3ph) then you still have 21hp left to drive th PDB vacuum unit which is 7 electric plugs worth of power.
Of course this is just theoretical and working on a truckmount working at 100% efficiency using the total energy available and my theory is biased as I'm a TM owner I'm sure a portable owner will have his own mathematics to prove that a portable has the power of a truckmount, but I would be interested in how he pulls more power out a electric socket than is available.
Mike I thought you were using a wet vac now for extraction and your TM pump and heater.
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I have taken out my 25hp truckmount and fitted my trusty hybrid machine which uses an electric pump fitted to my 100gl water tank which is pre-heated by the van radiator system and then runs through a propane burner this provides the wet side. I then use a industrial 3 vac wet vacuum which we situate at the front door. This provides the vacuum.
The wet vac uses only 1 power cord so reading my post above I don't use more than 3hp to create my vacuum
The pump use a second power cord, so I plug in an Extention cord into the kitchen which goes to the van the wet vac is plugged into the closest plug to the front door.
People need to stop this obsession with vacuum power , I become dismayed when people start taking out perfectly good vacs and fitting more powerful ones like it makes any difference to drying times or can't decide whether to buy a machine that uses serial or parallel configuration ...... It makes no difference !!
Just use what you have, pimping portables is a waste of time and money
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Sounds really a good system, and cost effective to operate too. Have you considered adding a Auto pump out to the vac so you don't have to keep emptying it? A submersible pump on a float switch would work fine.
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I have taken out my 25hp truckmount and fitted my trusty hybrid machine which uses an electric pump fitted to my 100gl water tank which is pre-heated by the van radiator system and then runs through a propane burner this provides the wet side. I then use a industrial 3 vac wet vacuum which we situate at the front door. This provides the vacuum.
The wet vac uses only 1 power cord so reading my post above I don't use more than 3hp to create my vacuum
The pump use a second power cord, so I plug in an Extention cord into the kitchen which goes to the van the wet vac is plugged into the closest plug to the front door.
People need to stop this obsession with vacuum power , I become dismayed when people start taking out perfectly good vacs and fitting more powerful ones like it makes any difference to drying times or can't decide whether to buy a machine that uses serial or parallel configuration ...... It makes no difference !!
Just use what you have, pimping portables is a waste of time and money
i dont know why you have to running an extension to the kitchen with that setup , u have about three 900w motors and a pump , even if its a whopper it all can run from a regular twin socket in the hall or front .
With the extra circuit u are running from the kitchen you could have three more of those low power motors connected ... or better again just get four good ones .
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I agree going into the kitchen is probably not necessary just got used to doing it when I used the Bane machine and was told to use the socket next to the cooker isolation switch. It no big deal and takes no more time
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How can you vac motor makes no diffrence to dry time , that's ridiculous
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My mistake ! yeah I get your point upgrade porty vacs to different vacs when there nothing wrong with them imo also is a bit daft
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How can you vac motor makes no diffrence to dry time , that's ridiculous
Andre, you are correct but you are taking my post too literally . I've just read my sentence and perhaps the word 'significant' should have been added..... Changing vacs, series or parallel will not make a significant difference to drying times.
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I have a prowler by Amtex equipment pictured here three stories high in Camden
However It spends most of its life in the van like anyother truckmount
It has no tanks so is auto pump out
Best of both worlds really !!!
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Bloody hell Andy!!
Registered in 2009, and your first post today .
Don't say much do you ?
Geoff
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andre w
go research sinners circle. and you have your answer. each method not machine has its overall success. many ways to get to a clean carpet depends on how much time and money you want to spend getting there.
your machine can suck as much as you like but unless you have emulsified the dirt its not going any where.
this subject is about how far away from the wand you want to work. the closer to the wand the less power you need its pressure, heat and vac. start moving away and you have to up these. its that simple. lets not forget all the other methods that can clean a carpet without such a large investment.
good luck
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So Ian you think a rug doctor has what it takes