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Title: Gutter vacs
Post by: Tony dunmall on June 15, 2016, 09:20:13 am
Hi I wonder if those that use them

Could help if possible

I'm after the most compact and lightest one available
its not for heavy use I have one the size of small wheelie bin but to heavy by yourself

I'm looking for small ( even if needs emptying  more often) but more importantly what's the smallest size hose that you can get away with and also smallest pipes some are using

Thanks in advance

Tony
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: the king on June 15, 2016, 05:08:31 pm
the grippa vac is lite and compact cheep to very relible
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: SB Cleaning on June 15, 2016, 07:13:57 pm
the grippa vac is lite and compact cheep to very relible
I agree  ;)
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Oliver @ GrippaTank on June 15, 2016, 07:43:13 pm
the grippa vac is lite and compact cheep to very relible
I agree  ;)

Thank you for the mentions. Let us know if you need more information Tony Dunmall.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Nick Day on June 16, 2016, 09:24:56 am
Hi Tony,

It depends on your budget, we do a 1250 watt machine with 1.2 metre metal poles (they weigh 600 grams each). We can also do carbon poles 1.5 metre long that weigh 340 grams each with that machine. The hose length is 3.75 metres (12ft) on those machines. Obviously the carbon is more expensive as the carbon cloth costs a lot more than aluminium then we have to make them. We use this machine ourselves on gutter cleaning jobs and have never had any problems with them. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: 8weekly on June 16, 2016, 01:44:32 pm
http://www.guttercleaningmachines.com/skyvac-atom.asp
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Tony dunmall on June 16, 2016, 02:02:31 pm
Hi nick

I have all the carbon poles,and tools
I'm looking for the smallest vacuum that different ones are  currently using as i want a small vac

If you put up a link I'll  take a look

Tony
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Tony dunmall on June 16, 2016, 02:05:00 pm
Thanks 8 weekly looks good, do you use that model is so how do you find it
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: 8weekly on June 16, 2016, 02:28:46 pm
Thanks 8 weekly looks good, do you use that model is so how do you find it
No, I thought about it but went for a guttersucker. I bet its good for 95% of work though.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: a900 on June 16, 2016, 05:52:22 pm
I've been really impressed with my nilfisk multi 30t. Good suction. 1200watt. (Small enough to carry in the van and ideal to clear domestic gutters. More than happy working in the pouring rain. Well impressed with it.

All for the sum of £109.

Although I havnt tried the big machines to compare the suction its more than capable and has earnt it's money
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: VERNE on June 16, 2016, 06:41:31 pm
SKY VAC ATOM VERY GOOD
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: steve hamblett on June 19, 2016, 09:25:13 pm
Roughly how much for say a 3 bedroom traditional semi and, roughly how long would it take to do. Get asked quite a lot but prefer just cleaning windows. Don't really want to clear gutter s unless can make better money
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Tony dunmall on June 19, 2016, 09:45:11 pm
I guess it depends where you are in the country, I charge 85-115 varies according to the style semi
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Smurf on June 19, 2016, 10:20:08 pm
Sure like any add-on service there is money to be made at clearing guttering and blocked downspouts if priced well but it's not as easy as people make out it is especially if using a low powered vac.

Some jobs can be a real doddle to do and others can be a right pita. Not to mention times whem guttering has to be cleared by hand and repaired that has to be done normally via ladders and/or other appropriate access methods.

That is why not many window cleaners stick at it as they soon realise they prefer to just cleaning glass as can be much easier, cleaner & safer work.
 
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Nick Day on June 19, 2016, 10:28:35 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Smurf on June 19, 2016, 10:35:32 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

Best to keep pushing the price up I would say as I started of dirt cheap like yourself.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: a900 on June 20, 2016, 07:13:47 am
I would charge £75 for an easy access 1930's 3 bed semi.

Been eyeing this vac up. Looks like it could be really useful for some big gutter jobs. 2 big for every day use I recon.  https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/nilfisk-alto-attix-961-01-single-phase-wet-d/

Anyone had any experience with this machine?
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: steve hamblett on June 20, 2016, 09:07:42 am
Thanks for replies..... Given me something to think about
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Spudgun on June 20, 2016, 09:56:12 am
Hi Tony,

It depends on your budget, we do a 1250 watt machine with 1.2 metre metal poles (they weigh 600 grams each). We can also do carbon poles 1.5 metre long that weigh 340 grams each with that machine. The hose length is 3.75 metres (12ft) on those machines. Obviously the carbon is more expensive as the carbon cloth costs a lot more than aluminium then we have to make them. We use this machine ourselves on gutter cleaning jobs and have never had any problems with them. Hope that helps.

Hi Nick, do you know what the approximate weight of your 3000W and GCS 1250 vacuums are? Do you also have a footprint size for both as I only have a Transit Connect always carrying alot of other tools? Thanks
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Nick Day on June 20, 2016, 11:21:13 am
Hi,

The 1250 watt machine is approximately 40cm x 40cm x 45cm tall and weighs 5kg. The 3000 watt machine is 63cm long x 59cm wide x 99cm tall and weighs 28 kg. Height wise both will fit into a transit connect and they're both great machines.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: DaveG on June 20, 2016, 10:03:15 pm
I've been really impressed with my nilfisk multi 30t. Good suction. 1200watt. (Small enough to carry in the van and ideal to clear domestic gutters. More than happy working in the pouring rain. Well impressed with it.

All for the sum of £109.

Although I havnt tried the big machines to compare the suction its more than capable and has earnt it's money

a900, what poles etc do you use?

Thanks
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: a900 on June 20, 2016, 10:15:45 pm
50mm modular tubes from carbonfibretubes.co.uk. Minimum order 6. Around 70 each if I remember correctly.

Wouldn't dream of using aluminium tubes and Really happy with these carbon ones
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: DaveG on June 20, 2016, 10:17:20 pm
Thanks mate, do they fit the Nilfisk hose ok?
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: a900 on June 20, 2016, 10:25:18 pm
No. The vac hose supplied is 38mm. Need larger 51mm hose and a cuff each end.

The inlet on the machine is 51mm so makes sense to work to that size and should reduce restriction blockages
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Spudgun on June 20, 2016, 10:34:37 pm
No. The vac hose supplied is 38mm. Need larger 51mm hose and a cuff each end.

The inlet on the machine is 51mm so makes sense to work to that size and should reduce restriction blockages

Where do you get the 51mm hose and the cuffs from a900?
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: a900 on June 20, 2016, 10:45:43 pm
Cuffs from my parents. They run a carpet cleaning business and replaced there cuffs to a different type of connection.

Not going to recommend the hose I use as it kinks to much for my liking and gets on my nerves. But I would recommend the carpet cleaning hoses. Borrowed 15m for a job and it's very tough and wouldn't kink. Although slightly heavier.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Scrimble on June 21, 2016, 09:22:43 am
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Smurf on June 21, 2016, 12:02:00 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

I was trying to be a bit more tactful in my previous post but that was what I was thinking too.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Shrek on June 21, 2016, 03:07:17 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

Me! 😃 £40-£50 an hour ain't bad where I'm from 👍
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Smurf on June 21, 2016, 03:45:55 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

Me!  £40-£50 an hour ain't bad where I'm from

Regards to pricing maybe you chaps should read this thread http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=203201.0
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Scrimble on June 21, 2016, 05:36:09 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

Me! 😃 £40-£50 an hour ain't bad where I'm from 👍

you do not get paid by the hour!!!! you run a business and you get profit, how much profit do you make per job after all the expenses? tax etc etc that is what you earn

£90 plus VAT is our minimum price per job.

 £40 per job its a waste of time and is unprofitable
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: a900 on June 21, 2016, 05:48:14 pm
Couldn't agree more. The clean price has to cover Time quoting also.

For me it's got to be worth it if I'm going to get the ladder off the van too. As been mentioned can't always rely on the vac so the price has to be worth it.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Shrek on June 21, 2016, 06:05:35 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

Me! 😃 £40-£50 an hour ain't bad where I'm from 👍

you do not get paid by the hour!!!! you run a business and you get profit, how much profit do you make per job after all the expenses? tax etc etc that is what you earn

£90 plus VAT is our minimum price per job.

 £40 per job its a waste of time and is unprofitable

Are you down south? what's your minimum price for Windows?
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: 8weekly on June 21, 2016, 06:44:52 pm
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

Me! 😃 £40-£50 an hour ain't bad where I'm from 👍

you do not get paid by the hour!!!! you run a business and you get profit, how much profit do you make per job after all the expenses? tax etc etc that is what you earn

£90 plus VAT is our minimum price per job.

 £40 per job its a waste of time and is unprofitable

Are you down south? what's your minimum price for Windows?
I wondered that, and if it's a modern 2 bed semi how is it unprofitable to clear the gutters at the same time as the windows are cleaned?

Not saying there's anything wrong with a minimum of £90, just questioning whether at 15 minute gutter clear while you're there anyway would be unprofitable at £40/£50.
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Smurf on June 21, 2016, 07:07:54 pm
15 mins  :o are you having a laugh?  ;D
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: 8weekly on June 21, 2016, 07:19:20 pm
15 mins  :o are you having a laugh?  ;D
I appreciate that you couldn't do it in that. It takes you half a day to put your helmet on.  :D
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: chris turner on June 21, 2016, 07:45:59 pm
15 mins  :o are you having a laugh?  ;D
I appreciate that you couldn't do it in that. It takes you half a day to put your helmet on.  :D

I liked that ;D
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Smurf on June 21, 2016, 08:06:55 pm
15 mins  :o are you having a laugh?  ;D
I appreciate that you couldn't do it in that. It takes you half a day to put your helmet on.  :D

That's if I can find the bloody thing  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Scrimble on June 26, 2016, 09:03:06 am
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

Me! 😃 £40-£50 an hour ain't bad where I'm from 👍

you do not get paid by the hour!!!! you run a business and you get profit, how much profit do you make per job after all the expenses? tax etc etc that is what you earn

£90 plus VAT is our minimum price per job.

 £40 per job its a waste of time and is unprofitable

Are you down south? what's your minimum price for Windows?
I wondered that, and if it's a modern 2 bed semi how is it unprofitable to clear the gutters at the same time as the windows are cleaned?

Not saying there's anything wrong with a minimum of £90, just questioning whether at 15 minute gutter clear while you're there anyway would be unprofitable at £40/£50.

no gutter clear job has taken 15 mins,
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: chris turner on June 26, 2016, 09:53:27 am
Hi Steve,

We would do a job like that in 30 - 45 minutes using the vac, that is from arriving to leaving. Depending where you are in the country you would be looking at £40-£50 for a job like that but some people get even more than that.

£40 to clear guttering on house? is this some kind of joke? what kind of mug charges such a low price?

Me! 😃 £40-£50 an hour ain't bad where I'm from 👍

you do not get paid by the hour!!!! you run a business and you get profit, how much profit do you make per job after all the expenses? tax etc etc that is what you earn

£90 plus VAT is our minimum price per job.

 £40 per job its a waste of time and is unprofitable

Are you down south? what's your minimum price for Windows?
I wondered that, and if it's a modern 2 bed semi how is it unprofitable to clear the gutters at the same time as the windows are cleaned?

Not saying there's anything wrong with a minimum of £90, just questioning whether at 15 minute gutter clear while you're there anyway would be unprofitable at £40/£50.

no gutter clear job has taken 15 mins,

Not if you prolong it to milk as much money from your customers as possible....
Title: Re: Gutter vacs
Post by: Smurf on June 26, 2016, 09:57:24 am
15 mins   :o

I know I'm a bit slow but I've never been able to clear guttering & downspouts even on the smallest house in 15 mins properly including travel time, setup/packing away. It takes me more like an hour if not longer depending what methods I choose to use and how badly blocked they are. I may also point out I don't just turn up and pretend to clear guttering after a gutter cam survey beforehand whilst on a quote either if it does not need doing unlike some rogues.  ;D ;D