Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on March 29, 2016, 11:47:59 pm
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So i wasnt going to say anything about all this until next year when hopefully its worked. But I thought it would be fun to chart the journey.
Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
My investment is as follows.
Vehicles
I have bought 8 brand new renault traffic vans currently at Ionic systems being fitted with the same 700L systems we already use. I have financed all of this £160K over 5 years.
Office
My office is being doubled in size and proffesionallly fitted out from floor to celling including 2 wall mounted 50" screens to display vehicle trackers, schedual on cleaner planner ect. 3 new computers. ISDN2 phone system for multiple lines, transfer ability ect, fully fitted kitchen ect. I will be taking on 2 full time office staff to join me.
static system
Ionic are building me a completely bespoke static system of 9000L, not going for parts per billion but has all the same features like boosted fill, auto flush, with stainless steel filters ect. 4 transfer pumps so 4 vans can fill at the same time.
Marketting
I will be doubling our covered area this year and doing my usual leafletting drops with jog post. This year however its the volume that will be a first in the industry. I have ordered 1 million leaflets to be printed and delivered costing £85K I saw the first run of 300K being printed last week which was pretty exciting. I hope to get 6000 customers from that this year so fingers are very crossed right now.
Into next year
I hope to reach a point where we can continue to grow at this rate under our own finacial steam, leaving me some of the money for the next deposit on a house. This project takes us to 13 vans this year (I hope!) then we plan to purchase another handful next year with the ultimate goal being the 15-20 vehicle level.
Once we are a few months in I plan to make some video updates of the process. Just got a few more things to do over the next 2 -3 weeks before it all kicks off.
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
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Brilliant! Good luck Lee, brave and ambitious.
Look forward to the video updates I'd be very interested to see how it all pans out for you.
All the best
Tom
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Why?
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Why?
1. Because I want to build my business to a point that it provides me with the lifestyle I want.
2. Because its a good time of my life to try. No wife, no kids, been in the game 12 years and I feel I know what im doing.
3. Because I feel the need to
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Good luck you are very brave and deserve all the rewards from being so,ionic will be sending you a Xmas card lol.
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It'll be frightening to see how much work you'll need to clean to make a profit won't it,I take it your very good with logistics who's helping you run it.
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Why?
1. Because I want to build my business to a point that it provides me with the lifestyle I want.
2. Because I feel the need to
So having 5 vans out isn't enough for you and you want to gamble your house? Go for it!
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It'll be frightening to see how much work you'll need to clean to make a profit won't it,I take it your very good with logistics who's helping you run it.
I will be running it with the help of 2 new admin staff. Im simply repeating the same business model I already use over a wider area with more vans. Few small changes here and there but much the same as the last few years.
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Why?
1. Because I want to build my business to a point that it provides me with the lifestyle I want.
2. Because I feel the need to
So having 5 vans out isn't enough for you and you want to gamble your house? Go for it!
No it isnt. I have
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Maybe sort your website out before you try and conquer the world, it's as slow as fkcu
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Maybe sort your website out before you try and conquer the world, it's as slow as fkcu
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That's very true and is one of the many little changes being made over the next few weeks. I'm not trying to conquer the world bungle. Just want to build something to be proud of
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Stupid. If I was to invest that kind of money it wouldn't be in window cleaning! But good luck all the same.
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Good on you , hope it all works out :)
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That's f***ing brilliant mate, good luck to you! Hope you don't live near me, amigo.
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That's f***ing brilliant mate, good luck to you! Hope you don't live near me, amigo.
Yep thinking same!!! Hope no where near me!!
So curious, there has been some on going debates on here about pricing strategies and also in previous threads of national companies coming into areas bulk snatching at ridiculous prices (low prices just to clarify) driving out competition. Curious to have your input in your marketing plan and projection of economic growth and achieving that??
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Good on you, Lee. Glad to hear your plans coming from ideas to concrete actions.
Remember, though, leaflets don't work, so you're doomed.
Vin
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Fair play and good luck.
I would have saved a fortune and gone with grippatank though. Unless it's the cheap version of ionics.
Grippa tank do van and equipment deals all leased etc.
Pics or it didn't happen ;)
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The things that would worry me are the fripperies. Ionic systems, professionally fitted offices, 50 inch screens leap from the page. Fine if you are financing through turnover. It doesn't mean your plans won't work, but it just hints at something other than business driven decisions.
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Plenty of work going down south apparently.
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Stupid and Brave I reckon but you've got nothing to lose. Just feel sorry for your parents. I think if it was me I would have kept the house and rented it out or sold the house and reinvested in property whilst slowly building the business. The stress of that lot would kill me.
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Looking forward to seeing some good pics of the fleet.
Hope all goes well for you. Shows a lot of ambition.
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Please order 30 univalves and link them all together.
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Nice one Lee.
I recently sold one of my spare brushes to a fellow shiner for 20 notes.
Might invest that 20 into a new brush soon.
Business just goes from strength to strength...
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All the very best to you with your expansion lee, what model Renault Traffics are you buying, and why your preference
for Renaults over other makes, just wondering as I'm still deciding on which van to get later this year.
Regards
Lal
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thats very ambitious lee.good luck to you but remember ambition can cut you down!
just reading your first post makes me feel a little queasy!
he who dares.....rodders!!! ;D
you must thrive on the stress. im like dave it would see me off and id be dead within a year i reckon! ;D
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Are you also hiring a carpark to keep these 8 extra vans in? The only winner I see here is Ionics and the printer.
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Good on you Lee. :)
John
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Well, I know Ive knocked you in the past Lee, but this looks to be something worth following. Its brave for sure. Risky as well. I hope the advise you've had is from sound, quality sources.
Far more credible than radio advertising.
Hey, whats the worse that can happen? You have 8 vans to sell. Big deal. (as well as 2 x 50" monitors, are you sure that isn't just ego, do you really need 2 x 50" monitors?). Worse business failures have happened.
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Some good point there, let me try to respond to a few.
Prices.
I will actually be slightly increasing our prices this year. Cleaner planner tells me our average price is £22.00 right now.
Vans and Ionics.
I like the traffic, they have served us well. By buying in bulk I got them for £13K each plus VAT, a very good price. Ionic have always given me a great service and produce a great product. I use there pure 2o brand which is a bit cheaper but just as good.
Yes bungle
I have rented a car park, its called the industrial yard we are based in, I see your a posetive chap arnt you. Things cost money. I have done deals on just about everything im spending on with my supliers.
Am I coming to your area?
I wouldnt worry about that at all, we will be covering most of the south east of england, its not like im getting thousands of customers out of 1 town and wiping out everyone that already cleans there, the spread will be wide and I doubt it will actually effect anyone in that way. Not only that the amount of huge new build estates going up is quite amazing right now so theres plenty of houses.
My indulgence in my office.
I want a nice place to sit what will probably be 7 days a week, Ive spent 6 years freezing my nuts off, listening to reving engines from other businesses and working with old computers. I also want a nice place for the others to work all day every day. I bought the screens cheap in the easter sale. they will be used to display work info from the computers, tracker info, cleaner planner, ect If we have a bit of day time tv or music on them while we work big deal!
Yes its already very stessful and I havnt even kicked off yet. I will manage. ;D
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Well they say he who dares don't they ?
Personally it always suprises at just how much people want to achieve / feel they need - financially and materialistically . Thats not a knock down Lee, just not what I would want or need.
A positive is you will be providing much needed jobs, wish you luck.
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What did you parents say to your question "Am I brave or stupid?"
I know what I would have said and it would have been don't be so stupid as if you can't make a good living at it already having 5 vans on the road what makes you think getting heavily into debt will make things better for you. Having ambition is one thing but financial stupidity could be your downfall bigtime.
Just my opinion you understand. ::)roll
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this must be very exciting and is certainly brave.
i would worry about the amount of change all in one go. expansion is difficult, and taking on new office staff and systems is hard too... but if this gives you a buzz and you love working those long hours, why not.
good luck to you. i hope it goes well
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What did you parents say to your question "Am I brave or stupid?"
I know what I would have said and it would have been don't be so stupid as if you can't make a good living at it already having 5 vans on the road what makes you think getting heavily into debt will make things better for you. Having ambition is one thing but financial stupidity could be your downfall bigtime.
Just my opinion you understand. ::)roll
fair play.
Its debt that pays for itself in the end.
I do make a good living with 5 vans. I just want to have a go at the really good living. i grew up in a flat on a council estate (nothing wrong with that) So ive tried that end of the scale, I want to try the other end.
I will only be getting 6 of the 8 straight away, with the last 2 in 6 months so im not fully commited to the full amount straight away.
If things dont go as well as planned I would hope to get to at least 9 or 10. I can always stop the spending at that point and jump back on the property ladder.
Round my way there are lots of industrail estates and lots of companies with fleets of vehicles on the road which I see every day. Haulage, grab hire, skip hire, couriers ect. When I see them all over the place I think I want to be like that.
I just want to give it a go
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I must be the only one who thinks the 50" screens are a good idea!
Ideally I would want one for tracking vans which I am assuming you are doing.
If you see all 8 heading off to the ports you know they are going in containers lol
Also to manage that amount of customers you would never several screens or a big one.......
Technology and window cleaners don't mix.
Just literally been chatting to a guy who is going home and worked a few days this month due to ROTA cuff damage. Doctors have said it is RSI related and was warned about winding in reels.
This same guy laughed at my electric hose reel saying it was a waste of money. Oh really? Yeah he was right a 100% what was I thinking.
Go for it LEE. If i can help in any way you just let me know.
Like I said. I watched a few of your videos a few years ago. You turned us all into a window cleaner machines here.
Never ever thought I'd have what we have today and it's only getting better.
Like I said I owe you some pints :)
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What did you parents say to your question "Am I brave or stupid?"
I know what I would have said and it would have been don't be so stupid as if you can't make a good living at it already having 5 vans on the road what makes you think getting heavily into debt will make things better for you. Having ambition is one thing but financial stupidity could be your downfall bigtime.
Just my opinion you understand. ::)roll
Have to agree Smurf, why the big rush and why didn't the 5 vans not become 6 then 7 and so on, the thing is there's no need
risk bankruptcy or sell a valuable asset to do what he needs to do, looks as if the whole business plan is just based on saving a few quid by buying vans in bulk.
I do wish him every success though as it takes guts to do what he's doing.
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Best of luck bud as I'm not knocking your ambitions but on the other hand I don't want you to fall flat on your arse either.
I know of a chap that worked for a small firm in a different trade that ended up taking a gamble to buy the business from the owner when he retired. After taking the initial risk then investing a small fortune on specialist equipment over a number of years has now a multi million turnover business. The chap is now a very wealthy individual.
However on the other hand I also know of a chap that took a gamble on a business venture that ended up losing everything.
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how many customers do you currently have lee?
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I would recommend reading 'Tycoon' by Peter Jones. Excellent book which teaches you the 'tycoon' mentality, but is put across in such a way that it can help anyone from someone with a simple business idea, to a sole trader, up to a multi-business entrepreneur by means of having a set of 'golden rules' for success. And the success you aspire to can be as big as you want it to be.
Best wishes,
John
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I would recommend reading 'Tycoon' by Peter Jones. Excellent book which teaches you the 'tycoon' mentality, but is put across in such a way that it can help anyone from someone with a simple business idea, to a sole trader, up to a multi-business entrepreneur by means of having a set of 'golden rules' for success. And the success you aspire to can be as big as you want it to be.
Best wishes,
John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asWhZgWWtes
I like Number 10 the best as my gut feeling is the rest seems just bullcrap to me ;D
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I've been thinking about this today and the maths is scary, well to me anyway (never was my strong point). So eight vans which means bang! a load more work required the minute the new ones arrive, new employees - two to a van? So what intrigues me is where the break even point comes, the point where you've made up the 160,000 I think it was and you are into profit? When do you expect to get back into the position of buying back into your own property? I guess you've done your homework Lee and must have a business plan?
In two years you want twenty vans, that's a lot of staff, massive amount of work and big overheads good luck. I wouldn't know where to start (probably the toilet I think).
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Great, keep us posted!
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Again lots more good posts and questions. I cant answer them all but there are plenty of good reasons why im doing it the way I will be.
I wont go into the nitty gritty on it all today. I think it will be more fun to get the ball rolling over the next few months then do an update video.
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We're gonna need a bigger boat.
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Great news , very brave I say . sometimes in life, if you don't make that gamble then you'll never know! good luck 👍
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So i wasnt going to say anything about all this until next year when hopefully its worked. But I thought it would be fun to chart the journey.
Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
My investment is as follows.
Vehicles
I have bought 8 brand new renault traffic vans currently at Ionic systems being fitted with the same 700L systems we already use. I have financed all of this £160K over 5 years.
Office
My office is being doubled in size and proffesionallly fitted out from floor to celling including 2 wall mounted 50" screens to display vehicle trackers, schedual on cleaner planner ect. 3 new computers. ISDN2 phone system for multiple lines, transfer ability ect, fully fitted kitchen ect. I will be taking on 2 full time office staff to join me.
static system
Ionic are building me a completely bespoke static system of 9000L, not going for parts per billion but has all the same features like boosted fill, auto flush, with stainless steel filters ect. 4 transfer pumps so 4 vans can fill at the same time.
Marketting
I will be doubling our covered area this year and doing my usual leafletting drops with jog post. This year however its the volume that will be a first in the industry. I have ordered 1 million leaflets to be printed and delivered costing £85K I saw the first run of 300K being printed last week which was pretty exciting. I hope to get 6000 customers from that this year so fingers are very crossed right now.
Into next year
I hope to reach a point where we can continue to grow at this rate under our own finacial steam, leaving me some of the money for the next deposit on a house. This project takes us to 13 vans this year (I hope!) then we plan to purchase another handful next year with the ultimate goal being the 15-20 vehicle level.
Once we are a few months in I plan to make some video updates of the process. Just got a few more things to do over the next 2 -3 weeks before it all kicks off.
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
I wish you every success with this as it's nowhere near my patch ;D. What jumps out at me tho is the fact you have invested £250 000 in the business but you have still had to finance £160 000 over 5 years for the vans ???
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So i wasnt going to say anything about all this until next year when hopefully its worked. But I thought it would be fun to chart the journey.
Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
My investment is as follows.
Vehicles
I have bought 8 brand new renault traffic vans currently at Ionic systems being fitted with the same 700L systems we already use. I have financed all of this £160K over 5 years.
Office
My office is being doubled in size and proffesionallly fitted out from floor to celling including 2 wall mounted 50" screens to display vehicle trackers, schedual on cleaner planner ect. 3 new computers. ISDN2 phone system for multiple lines, transfer ability ect, fully fitted kitchen ect. I will be taking on 2 full time office staff to join me.
static system
Ionic are building me a completely bespoke static system of 9000L, not going for parts per billion but has all the same features like boosted fill, auto flush, with stainless steel filters ect. 4 transfer pumps so 4 vans can fill at the same time.
Marketting
I will be doubling our covered area this year and doing my usual leafletting drops with jog post. This year however its the volume that will be a first in the industry. I have ordered 1 million leaflets to be printed and delivered costing £85K I saw the first run of 300K being printed last week which was pretty exciting. I hope to get 6000 customers from that this year so fingers are very crossed right now.
Into next year
I hope to reach a point where we can continue to grow at this rate under our own finacial steam, leaving me some of the money for the next deposit on a house. This project takes us to 13 vans this year (I hope!) then we plan to purchase another handful next year with the ultimate goal being the 15-20 vehicle level.
Once we are a few months in I plan to make some video updates of the process. Just got a few more things to do over the next 2 -3 weeks before it all kicks off.
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
Is this a sad April fools thing like your poxy Opportunity X a few years back??
With 5 vans out you should be turning over 250k plus a year alone so why would you need to sell your house and move in with parents like a child to grow anymore??? At least rent or buy a flat, who in there right mind moves in with there parents in the spare room when they are a full grown man with a decent business,and income??
This is Better than Vin's 250k thread.. I wonder what company house comes up with for your business wealth..
If this isnt an April fools joke then your a brave man and i hope you do make it work.
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I think a million leaflets might take up a bit of attic space. ;D
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So i wasnt going to say anything about all this until next year when hopefully its worked. But I thought it would be fun to chart the journey.
Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
My investment is as follows.
Vehicles
I have bought 8 brand new renault traffic vans currently at Ionic systems being fitted with the same 700L systems we already use. I have financed all of this £160K over 5 years.
Office
My office is being doubled in size and proffesionallly fitted out from floor to celling including 2 wall mounted 50" screens to display vehicle trackers, schedual on cleaner planner ect. 3 new computers. ISDN2 phone system for multiple lines, transfer ability ect, fully fitted kitchen ect. I will be taking on 2 full time office staff to join me.
static system
Ionic are building me a completely bespoke static system of 9000L, not going for parts per billion but has all the same features like boosted fill, auto flush, with stainless steel filters ect. 4 transfer pumps so 4 vans can fill at the same time.
Marketting
I will be doubling our covered area this year and doing my usual leafletting drops with jog post. This year however its the volume that will be a first in the industry. I have ordered 1 million leaflets to be printed and delivered costing £85K I saw the first run of 300K being printed last week which was pretty exciting. I hope to get 6000 customers from that this year so fingers are very crossed right now.
Into next year
I hope to reach a point where we can continue to grow at this rate under our own finacial steam, leaving me some of the money for the next deposit on a house. This project takes us to 13 vans this year (I hope!) then we plan to purchase another handful next year with the ultimate goal being the 15-20 vehicle level.
Once we are a few months in I plan to make some video updates of the process. Just got a few more things to do over the next 2 -3 weeks before it all kicks off.
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
Is this a sad April fools thing like your poxy Opportunity X a few years back??
With 5 vans out you should be turning over 250k plus a year alone so why would you need to sell your house and move in with parents like a child to grow anymore??? At least rent or buy a flat, who in there right mind moves in with there parents in the spare room when they are a full grown man with a decent business,and income??
This is Better than Vin's 250k thread.. I wonder what company house comes up with for your business wealth..
If this isnt an April fools joke then your a brave man and i hope you do make it work.
Surely just one van alone should be doing £90 - £100k a year? Thats at full capacity, out every day.
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So i wasnt going to say anything about all this until next year when hopefully its worked. But I thought it would be fun to chart the journey.
Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
My investment is as follows.
Vehicles
I have bought 8 brand new renault traffic vans currently at Ionic systems being fitted with the same 700L systems we already use. I have financed all of this £160K over 5 years.
Office
My office is being doubled in size and proffesionallly fitted out from floor to celling including 2 wall mounted 50" screens to display vehicle trackers, schedual on cleaner planner ect. 3 new computers. ISDN2 phone system for multiple lines, transfer ability ect, fully fitted kitchen ect. I will be taking on 2 full time office staff to join me.
static system
Ionic are building me a completely bespoke static system of 9000L, not going for parts per billion but has all the same features like boosted fill, auto flush, with stainless steel filters ect. 4 transfer pumps so 4 vans can fill at the same time.
Marketting
I will be doubling our covered area this year and doing my usual leafletting drops with jog post. This year however its the volume that will be a first in the industry. I have ordered 1 million leaflets to be printed and delivered costing £85K I saw the first run of 300K being printed last week which was pretty exciting. I hope to get 6000 customers from that this year so fingers are very crossed right now.
Into next year
I hope to reach a point where we can continue to grow at this rate under our own finacial steam, leaving me some of the money for the next deposit on a house. This project takes us to 13 vans this year (I hope!) then we plan to purchase another handful next year with the ultimate goal being the 15-20 vehicle level.
Once we are a few months in I plan to make some video updates of the process. Just got a few more things to do over the next 2 -3 weeks before it all kicks off.
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
Is this a sad April fools thing like your poxy Opportunity X a few years back??
With 5 vans out you should be turning over 250k plus a year alone so why would you need to sell your house and move in with parents like a child to grow anymore??? At least rent or buy a flat, who in there right mind moves in with there parents in the spare room when they are a full grown man with a decent business,and income??
This is Better than Vin's 250k thread.. I wonder what company house comes up with for your business wealth..
If this isnt an April fools joke then your a brave man and i hope you do make it work.
Surely just one van alone should be doing £90 - £100k a year? Thats at full capacity, out every day.
1 or 2 men in a van?
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The bit about spending £85,000 on a million leaflets including printing and having them delivered did make me chuckle I must admit. That is an absolute bonkers way to spend that kind of money surely as for instance you are on about getting good deals you could have bought your own printing press for that and started up your own printing firm too. ::)roll
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Lee make sure you get a customer service adviser as well ;)
https://www.yell.com/biz/pryor-s-window-cleaning-horley-6262263/
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So i wasnt going to say anything about all this until next year when hopefully its worked. But I thought it would be fun to chart the journey.
Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
My investment is as follows.
Vehicles
I have bought 8 brand new renault traffic vans currently at Ionic systems being fitted with the same 700L systems we already use. I have financed all of this £160K over 5 years.
Office
My office is being doubled in size and proffesionallly fitted out from floor to celling including 2 wall mounted 50" screens to display vehicle trackers, schedual on cleaner planner ect. 3 new computers. ISDN2 phone system for multiple lines, transfer ability ect, fully fitted kitchen ect. I will be taking on 2 full time office staff to join me.
static system
Ionic are building me a completely bespoke static system of 9000L, not going for parts per billion but has all the same features like boosted fill, auto flush, with stainless steel filters ect. 4 transfer pumps so 4 vans can fill at the same time.
Marketting
I will be doubling our covered area this year and doing my usual leafletting drops with jog post. This year however its the volume that will be a first in the industry. I have ordered 1 million leaflets to be printed and delivered costing £85K I saw the first run of 300K being printed last week which was pretty exciting. I hope to get 6000 customers from that this year so fingers are very crossed right now.
Into next year
I hope to reach a point where we can continue to grow at this rate under our own finacial steam, leaving me some of the money for the next deposit on a house. This project takes us to 13 vans this year (I hope!) then we plan to purchase another handful next year with the ultimate goal being the 15-20 vehicle level.
Once we are a few months in I plan to make some video updates of the process. Just got a few more things to do over the next 2 -3 weeks before it all kicks off.
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
Is this a sad April fools thing like your poxy Opportunity X a few years back??
With 5 vans out you should be turning over 250k plus a year alone so why would you need to sell your house and move in with parents like a child to grow anymore??? At least rent or buy a flat, who in there right mind moves in with there parents in the spare room when they are a full grown man with a decent business,and income??
This is Better than Vin's 250k thread.. I wonder what company house comes up with for your business wealth..
If this isnt an April fools joke then your a brave man and i hope you do make it work.
Surely just one van alone should be doing £90 - £100k a year? Thats at full capacity, out every day.
one van turning over nearly 2 grand a week cleaning windows?
this forum is ridiculous, how many one bands turn over 90k plus cleaning windows?
very, very few...yet you expect this guy to have 5 vans out with each employee working themselves to the ground everyday to turn over 90k a year
100k per van ::)roll
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Good one lee. This shows conviction in your abilities. 12 years in the game is long enough and i know how you feel.
Id love to be able to do what you are doing. You probably already know this but please please please if you havent already get yourself a CHARTERED accountant. I didnt and paid the price.
I have been building my business back since i lost it all back in 2009 and im at around £55k turnover, most of my work is bi monthly so one month is fully booked up monday to Friday and the other is about a week and half Monday to friday. Problem i have now is the time to canvas on busy months. I can only do canvassing on my alternative months for now. Im hoping to hit £75k by the end of 2016 and have someone work for me.
I wish you the best i really do. Keep us posted. Last person i think did this in a big way was Powerclene anyone know what happened to him?
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The bit about spending £85,000 on a million leaflets including printing and having them delivered did make me chuckle I must admit. That is an absolute bonkers way to spend that kind of money surely as for instance you are on about getting good deals you could have bought your own printing press for that and started up your own printing business too. ::)roll
That's cuz he's talking out his harris
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So i wasnt going to say anything about all this until next year when hopefully its worked. But I thought it would be fun to chart the journey.
Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
My investment is as follows.
Vehicles
I have bought 8 brand new renault traffic vans currently at Ionic systems being fitted with the same 700L systems we already use. I have financed all of this £160K over 5 years.
Office
My office is being doubled in size and proffesionallly fitted out from floor to celling including 2 wall mounted 50" screens to display vehicle trackers, schedual on cleaner planner ect. 3 new computers. ISDN2 phone system for multiple lines, transfer ability ect, fully fitted kitchen ect. I will be taking on 2 full time office staff to join me.
static system
Ionic are building me a completely bespoke static system of 9000L, not going for parts per billion but has all the same features like boosted fill, auto flush, with stainless steel filters ect. 4 transfer pumps so 4 vans can fill at the same time.
Marketting
I will be doubling our covered area this year and doing my usual leafletting drops with jog post. This year however its the volume that will be a first in the industry. I have ordered 1 million leaflets to be printed and delivered costing £85K I saw the first run of 300K being printed last week which was pretty exciting. I hope to get 6000 customers from that this year so fingers are very crossed right now.
Into next year
I hope to reach a point where we can continue to grow at this rate under our own finacial steam, leaving me some of the money for the next deposit on a house. This project takes us to 13 vans this year (I hope!) then we plan to purchase another handful next year with the ultimate goal being the 15-20 vehicle level.
Once we are a few months in I plan to make some video updates of the process. Just got a few more things to do over the next 2 -3 weeks before it all kicks off.
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
Is this a sad April fools thing like your poxy Opportunity X a few years back??
With 5 vans out you should be turning over 250k plus a year alone so why would you need to sell your house and move in with parents like a child to grow anymore??? At least rent or buy a flat, who in there right mind moves in with there parents in the spare room when they are a full grown man with a decent business,and income??
This is Better than Vin's 250k thread.. I wonder what company house comes up with for your business wealth..
If this isnt an April fools joke then your a brave man and i hope you do make it work.
Surely just one van alone should be doing £90 - £100k a year? Thats at full capacity, out every day.
one van turning over nearly 2 grand a week cleaning windows?
this forum is ridiculous, how many one bands turn over 90k plus cleaning windows?
very, very few...yet you expect this guy to have 5 vans out with each employee working themselves to the ground everyday to turn over 90k a year
100k per van ::)roll
2 guys in a van should be able to do £2k a week surely? Based on 48 weeks a year its £400 a day. If I was spending that much on marketing etc I'd make sure each van is at full capacity, so two guys working in a van should be able to do at least £90k a year.
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Fair play to you.
If you Belive in something that much then you have to follow it up and nothing says dedication like putting your house on the line.
There seem to be more and more on here that if someone is doing better than them or there earning more than them then it it can't be done or true.
Some times big plans need big investment. A couple of years ago a window cleaning firm got an investment of 3 million they now turn over 10million a year with the aim to turn 50million in 5 years time .
There are no limits to your business only thing that will slow you down is financing it.
Personally I wouldn't have the balls or want the streets of it but I wish you all the best and hope it works for you.
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You could have invested 250k in a property and lived with your parents for 5 years and make most of it back once over,I know for a fact that's possible but Dave will come on here in a mo and say look out Charlie big balls is back on here again lol.
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Erm, I think I already suggested that early on.
lol
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Your last videos were a great watch. Fair play to you, you know what you are doing and can no doubt make it work. Goodluck.
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Some funny posts there.
Bungle that really is the cost so no im not talking out my harris.
Yes I have a chatered accountant and have for years.
Another interesting one was one of you asked why would I finance vehicles if I had a lump sum. So i only spend on growth not equipment.
Im not spending 250 im spending 150 so i still have a house deposit.
Why live with parents? Because its the cheapest option thats why.
Im 35 not 32.
I will not need to store leaflets since I will never see them, they get printed then they go to london before being delivered where I want them.
No I could not by a press and print them since im told the machine that does that cost 300k. having seen it i can believe it.
1 per van, by now everyone on here should know that way earns more money.
Everything im doing has been well thought out over a long time. Everything im doing and the way/order im doing it has a reason behind it. I really dont want to spend time going into every minor detail just because someone here doesnt get it. I simply put it out there since its not been done before and I thought it would be fun to let you all in on it and then later make some progress videos.
My first trial univalve arrived today. very impresive on first glance........ There back to normal forum stuff. Sorry if my plans have offended you.
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Lee make sure you get a customer service adviser as well ;)
https://www.yell.com/biz/pryor-s-window-cleaning-horley-6262263/
Those messages sent out weren't too clever, but I've got one review on Google and it's a bad 'un.
"Sadly, very rude when cancelling the service. Would have used again otherwise but I would never want to put up with customer service (rudeness) like that. Such a shame."
They "signed up" for a regular service and it was a real minger. They cancelled after the second clean because they were moving. When you're chasing work, you don't always charge for the first clean - particularly if you have set prices and don't visit . Anyway, in my reply to their cancellation I said it was deceitful to say they wanted a regular clean when it was merely to put the house on the market.
There are some people that just do this and unless you play the social, media game you aren't going to be chasing up loads of good reviews to discount the bad ones. In actual fact, I get very few customers percentage wise from the internet so I'm not too bothered. I suspect it's the same for Lee.
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Fair play to you.
If you Belive in something that much then you have to follow it up and nothing says dedication like putting your house on the line.
There seem to be more and more on here that if someone is doing better than them or there earning more than them then it it can't be done or true.
Some times big plans need big investment. A couple of years ago a window cleaning firm got an investment of 3 million they now turn over 10million a year with the aim to turn 50million in 5 years time .
There are no limits to your business only thing that will slow you down is financing it.
Personally I wouldn't have the balls or want the streets of it but I wish you all the best and hope it works for you.
Good post.
For those that are interested the business he is refering to is nation wide window cleaning run by thornton tasker. Now a multi millionair he started as a rsidential window cleaner.
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1st of many questions I'm sure!
Are you having the leaflets repeat delivered to the same area, or are they being distributed to 1 million properties?
I'd have thought you'd get a better hit rate by the latter!
Good luck!
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Lee make sure you get a customer service adviser as well ;)
https://www.yell.com/biz/pryor-s-window-cleaning-horley-6262263/
Those messages sent out weren't too clever, but I've got one review on Google and it's a bad 'un.
"Sadly, very rude when cancelling the service. Would have used again otherwise but I would never want to put up with customer service (rudeness) like that. Such a shame."
They "signed up" for a regular service and it was a real minger. They cancelled after the second clean because they were moving. When you're chasing work, you don't always charge for the first clean - particularly if you have set prices and don't visit . Anyway, in my reply to their cancellation I said it was deceitful to say they wanted a regular clean when it was merely to put the house on the market.
There are some people that just do this and unless you play the social, media game you aren't going to be chasing up loads of good reviews to discount the bad ones. In actual fact, I get very few customers percentage wise from the internet so I'm not too bothered. I suspect it's the same for Lee.
Oh yes I remember these very clearly.
well lets just say there is always 2 sides to each storey isnt there. We have several thousand customers, its a shame that its human nature to take more time to write this stuff than the nice stuff.
Im well known for telling customers what I really think either on the phone or email. I dont believe in letting people walk all over me,not pay, swear down the phone ect just because their the customer. Funny how they have left out the full picture of there reviews.
I think you all should know by now that in the residetial game its hard to keep everyone happy all the time. I feel thats a big reason why the biggest companies only do commercial work.
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Good luck with it Lee :)
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Hi Lee
great thread I really enjoy reading your posts, but i think you are mad for giving out all this information on an open forum.
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Good luck with it Lee. I can only build my business up slowly (Wife & 4 kids!!).
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Ha harrrr, you gorra love this place at times! ;D
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All the best Lee.
Look forward to these videos.
Love to have a chat about your basic business model for one man van.
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Lee make sure you get a customer service adviser as well ;)
https://www.yell.com/biz/pryor-s-window-cleaning-horley-6262263/
On first glance what you say may appear to be true but it is easy to read between the lines of these pathetic reviews which look like they were left out of spite.
The first one -it is obvious that the reviewer left much unsaid that would incriminate himself - and the second one I make 1st September to Nov 24th is exactly 12 weeks. Let's give him the benefit of the lie and say it was the 7th September - well then that is 11 weeks and one day. Not the ten weeks he puts in his review.
And the numpty reviewer doesn't compute that 3 calendar months is 13 weeks approx and Lee is quite right the idiot is making a fuss if Lee turns up at 11.5 weeks.
I do hope however that Lee's spelling and grammar have been proof-read with a fine-toothed comb before committing to 1 million leaflets!
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I'd like to ask about the co-ordination of this project Lee. At what point are you going to start leafletting and in co-ordination with that when are the new vans arriving?
What about new staff? Where are they coming from and how much experience will they have?
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Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
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Brave or stupid?
You decide!
I've decided you're stupid sorry Lee. Let me tell you why...........someone else beat me to it and pointed out that you havn't actuall invested 250k, and as you say yourself you've invested only 150k and kept a deposit back. For this 150k you're going to get another 3 vans, thats a cost of 50k per van, thats just on your outlay, No idea how its gonna look with your predictions and costs/income.
In actual fact, the nett result of what you have done is lose your home, renew 5 vans, finance a marketting campaign and put 3 new vans on? Its worrying in so much as ..was the business not able to sustain renewing the 5 vans itself ? It should be.
Of course as you point out, the 8 new vans are on finance. So you havn't really invested in them, per se. Your actual investment is really a static system, and a 85k marketting campaign. And in order to do this, you've gave up your home. Thats not a luxury everyone can afford.
Im well known for telling customers what I really think either on the phone or email
I'll suspect thats something you'll get good at, as you'll be chasing a lot of money. And you'll be watching your operatives on a tracker .So to summarise, you're living back with your parents, giving people crap on the phone or email, sitting in a posh portacabin all day, got a monthly finance bill for 8 new vans (i shudder to even think the amount you're paying) , and i think you have a Porsche or summat to drive round in ? One things for sure, you'll be booking a hotel if you fancy a naked romp round the house with a quick line on your birds arse (or guy if you're that way inclined) , either that or you have very understanding parents !!!
Anyway, Good luck with it. When i was 35 i was going to parents evenings at the kids school in my Sierra, I'm just jealous. You however Lee, are living the dream. I'm glad you shared it with us !!! ;D I would give my left leg to be living with my parents, watching a tracker in a portacabin. <Thumbs up !!!>
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And why not ..... dont think your brave or stupid .... more of a calculated move ... i rekon ur a switched on fella so u soon have it paying dividends
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Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
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Brave or stupid?
You decide!
I've decided you're stupid sorry Lee. Let me tell you why...........someone else beat me to it and pointed out that you havn't actuall invested 250k, and as you say yourself you've invested only 150k and kept a deposit back. For this 150k you're going to get another 3 vans, thats a cost of 50k per van, thats just on your outlay, No idea how its gonna look with your predictions and costs/income.
In actual fact, the nett result of what you have done is lose your home, renew 5 vans, finance a marketting campaign and put 3 new vans on? Its worrying in so much as ..was the business not able to sustain renewing the 5 vans itself ? It should be.
Of course as you point out, the 8 new vans are on finance. So you havn't really invested in them, per se. Your actual investment is really a static system, and a 85k marketting campaign. And in order to do this, you've gave up your home. Thats not a luxury everyone can afford.
Im well known for telling customers what I really think either on the phone or email
I'll suspect thats something you'll get good at, as you'll be chasing a lot of money. And you'll be watching your operatives on a tracker .So to summarise, you're living back with your parents, giving people crap on the phone or email, sitting in a posh portacabin all day, got a monthly finance bill for 8 new vans (i shudder to even think the amount you're paying) , and i think you have a Porsche or summat to drive round in ? One things for sure, you'll be booking a hotel if you fancy a naked romp round the house with a quick line on your birds arse (or guy if you're that way inclined) , either that or you have very understanding parents !!!
Anyway, Good luck with it. When i was 35 i was going to parents evenings at the kids school in my Sierra, I'm just jealous. You however Lee, are living the dream. I'm glad you shared it with us !!! ;D I would give my left leg to be living with my parents, watching a tracker in a portacabin. <Thumbs up !!!>
Well thats me told. I better quit then.
Just point out to you its not replacing my 5 vans, the 8 are additional to them. I already use trackers and its a great thing to have for many reasons.
The p taking about living with my parents is all good mate. I really dont care what anyone thinks about that. I would rather not of course, but at the same time its a short time out of my life, and im willing to do whatever it takes to achieve my goals.
Im not precious about working in a porter cabin or a 5 star holtel. I simply want a nicer place to sit all day long.
So yes my investment will be spent on a static system, a new office and marketting to get work for the new vans. so what?? Ive financed every van from new that ive ever had. Not had any problems. Not sure what your problem is with that?
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Im about to take a very big step and a big gamble in my finacial and business life.
I have sold my house to invest 1/4 million pounds (the equity) in my business which currently has 5 vans with me in a little (and very cold) office! Im moving back in with my parents and renting the spare room from them. Its all going through on thursday this week.
<snip>
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
I've decided you're stupid sorry Lee. Let me tell you why...........someone else beat me to it and pointed out that you havn't actuall invested 250k, and as you say yourself you've invested only 150k and kept a deposit back. For this 150k you're going to get another 3 vans, thats a cost of 50k per van, thats just on your outlay, No idea how its gonna look with your predictions and costs/income.
In actual fact, the nett result of what you have done is lose your home, renew 5 vans, finance a marketting campaign and put 3 new vans on? Its worrying in so much as ..was the business not able to sustain renewing the 5 vans itself ? It should be.
Of course as you point out, the 8 new vans are on finance. So you havn't really invested in them, per se. Your actual investment is really a static system, and a 85k marketting campaign. And in order to do this, you've gave up your home. Thats not a luxury everyone can afford.
Im well known for telling customers what I really think either on the phone or email
I'll suspect thats something you'll get good at, as you'll be chasing a lot of money. And you'll be watching your operatives on a tracker .So to summarise, you're living back with your parents, giving people crap on the phone or email, sitting in a posh portacabin all day, got a monthly finance bill for 8 new vans (i shudder to even think the amount you're paying) , and i think you have a Porsche or summat to drive round in ? One things for sure, you'll be booking a hotel if you fancy a naked romp round the house with a quick line on your birds arse (or guy if you're that way inclined) , either that or you have very understanding parents !!!
Anyway, Good luck with it. When i was 35 i was going to parents evenings at the kids school in my Sierra, I'm just jealous. You however Lee, are living the dream. I'm glad you shared it with us !!! ;D I would give my left leg to be living with my parents, watching a tracker in a portacabin. <Thumbs up !!!>
Well thats me told. I better quit then.
Just point out to you its not replacing my 5 vans, the 8 are additional to them. I already use trackers and its a great thing to have for many reasons.
The p taking about living with my parents is all good mate. I really dont care what anyone thinks about that. I would rather not of course, but at the same time its a short time out of my life, and im willing to do whatever it takes to achieve my goals.
Im not precious about working in a porter cabin or a 5 star holtel. I simply want a nicer place to sit all day long.
So yes my investment will be spent on a static system, a new office and marketting to get work for the new vans. so what?? Ive financed every van from new that ive ever had. Not had any problems. Not sure what your problem is with that?
I don't have a problem with that Lee. You asked.............
Brave or stupid?
You decide!
You pop it up here for opinion, i give it, and apparently i have a problem ? Like i said............Good Luck with that.
So now you'll have 13 vans !! ;D
Goodnight Mum, Goodnight Dad !!!! ;D , yeah i'll be there in a minute, i'm just tellin' this fella on the Internet........................
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Stupid. Enjoy bankruptcy.
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Lee make sure you get a customer service adviser as well ;)
I do hope however that Lee's spelling and grammar have been proof-read with a fine-toothed comb before committing to 1 million leaflets!
Im glad im not the only one thinking this!!
You can take a man out of a council estate, but not the council estate out of a man! A broad sweeping statement and apologies if offend. However there exists a common believe of stereotype characters which live in such areas (didnt say they are my common beliefs). However, there is a ring of truth of a certain attitude in speaking your mind regardless, as in the disgruntled clients (who yes would only post negative views as many rarely take effort in posting praise) and also when asking for people's opinions only to be disgruntled by them. Maybe this thread isnt returning the full praise and admonition you was expecting.
From the small information you have provided of your own free will (which by the way is understandable), it raises more questions and concerns than any viable business plan which you may have portrayed as a good idea. Hence many of the replies on here, which are not directly trying to knock or pull you down from your dreams. But a small silly question. Would not a small spend on a luxury seat and desk, some decorative cost and a nice 50" tv and a heater improve your business accomodation?
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some people are never happy with what they ve already achieved/earn.5 vans on the road and its still not enough?so you sell your house,move in with mum and dad and take a big risk?
its entirely up to you of course,i wouldnt do it.have you ever thought the worry itll create for your parents?cos it will although they might not show it.
its overblown and seems reckless and OTT what you plan to do but your a tart(as you admitted in one of your videos)and have a deep desire to be a bigger company and earn more money than anyone else.so you take your chance,work every hour God sends and hope it works.
if it doesnt work out itll be a good cautionary tale to tell at AA meetings if you ever develop a drink problem(you ll be surprised how many workaholics/very ambitious people end up alcoholics!).
you probably have a much broader vision than most on here who cant even contemplate such a (seemingly)reckless move but you must of crunch the numbers and have a solid plan.
like i said before in another post ambition can cut you down.....but hey if it works out in a few years you ll be quids in with a nice lifestyle off the tools and you can puff yourself up into an even bigger prideful balloon and gloat......I TOLD YOU! HE WHO DARES RODDERS!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Come on lads this is a windup thread..open your eyes....ITS APRIL FOOLS DAY TOMORROW!.
Who in there right man would get 8 brand new kitted out vans without the work to go with them.... just think if some idiot did actualy do that with millions of leaflets delivered how long it would actualy take to build 8 full compact decent 6/8/12 weekly rounds up. Finding reliable decent staff.....8 of them in 1 go! No chance...
As if a man at 35 will go live with his mummy and daddy if doing that well to save a few hundred pounds a month by renting a flat with so much coming in.
in 2009 lee had 2100 customers on 6/8/12 weeklys at average £17 a customer according to 1 of his first posts on ciu.
Being a single man turning over more than 300k a year not enough no?? That was 7 years ago so must be near double that he is turning over with all the growing and look at me threads he did. How many vans would he need to service 2100 customers? My guess would be 5 minimum as i had 3 doing realy compact work with just 1200 customers. I wonder how many customers Lee actualy has at present.
Id love to eat my words but this has windup written all over it.
My view-Deffo stupid
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Lee Pryor...Did you watch the programme 'Scrappers' last week
The chap who runs the scrap yard is doing well for himself, He now wants to sell his house and move into a caravan, so he can buy a £500k machine to push his business forward
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Hope it goes well for you...not having family ties definitely makes it easier to take gambles
I would like more money coming in however, I like the relaxed, flexible lifestyle I have at the mo, This is due to operating on a franchised basis with 5 vans
I imagine you have already looked into it as you are increasing your prices, Don't under estimate the extra costs involved in running a larger business
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I'd like to ask about the co-ordination of this project Lee. At what point are you going to start leafletting and in co-ordination with that when are the new vans arriving?
What about new staff? Where are they coming from and how much experience will they have?
Can you give a time-line of when everything that you talk off is going to be implemented, including recruitment of new staff in accordance with when the work starts coming in, admin, office etc.
Please Lee.
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Definitely brave. Got to say though I would be putting far more energy into picking new business up and less into multiple vans and a posh office. Good luck
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If it was me I would be looking to invest into some other business maybe a partnership when you both invest 250k,and as for the bloke who was banging on about you wanting your 50" screens he's just jealous m8 if you think oh can do it to for it but I can see it being a logistical nightmare. I think Duncan Banatyne invested in something similar but it failed I think I can remember reading.
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I think Duncan Banatyne invested in something similar but it failed I think I can remember reading.
Yep he funded the opening of unit in my town with new window cleaning vans and all. Then shut it down shortly afterwards as it was unprofitable. The two lads are still going apparently and doing quite well but that unit (regional office) was a big fallure on all accounts. I rememder also seeing the vans etc up for sale too which is how I found out that they closed it down.
Just goes to show that not all grand expantion plans work as I'm sure they learnt a big lesson from that one.
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If there was money to be made out of it on a huge scale he would have had a go the 2 lads on the programe said between them they were doing around 5-6k a month and wernt running,that made his ears prick up me thinks.
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5-6K month is actually pretty mediocre for two guys.
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5-6K month is actually pretty mediocre for two guys.
Very actually :P
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Well I couldn't have said that could I Dave would have shot me down in flames lol
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I got an idea. Why doesn't OP buy 125,000 lottery tickets? Got to have a better chance of becoming a millionaire that way.
It seems very few of the posters on this site have any common sense. There is only me and Mick Kent who can see through this cr4p.
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Ay, ay, steady on. Im not so sure about it actually.
I reckon the implementation of it on a daily basis, day in day out, week after week isn't going to be quite as straight forward as it might have first been assumed. Id imagine the level of office work is going to be horrendous. Fielding enquiries, chasing bad debt, cash-flow, health and safety, keeping thirteen vehicles on the road with all associated cleaning kit and spare parts, managing the round(s) and ensuring all staff get round their work in a timely, professional and acceptable manner is going to be a nightmare.
I think more staff to manage the operation are going to be needed for starters and keep it on the road, keep it operating, turning over, bringing in money and keeping the cash-flow moving, big time. As well as staff issues, where are these staff coming from? No-ones addressed that yet although the question has been asked. 8 full-time, honest, professional, polite drivers that are 'people-friendly'? Hmm, thats like rocking-horse poope isn't it?
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250k is not enough money to run that IMO
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It's a slightly different business plan to Solar Steves anyway.
Lee has 8 vans on the road with 2 girls in the office.
Solar Steve has 2 vans on the road with 8 girls in the office.
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It's a slightly different business plan to Solar Steves anyway.
Lee has 8 vans on the road with 2 girls in the office.
Solar Steve has 2 vans on the road with 8 girls in the office.
;D
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It's a slightly different business plan to Solar Steves anyway.
Lee has 8 vans on the road with 2 girls in the office.
Solar Steve has 2 vans on the road with 8 girls in the office.
Im borrowing that, thanks ;)
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It's a slightly different business plan to Solar Steves anyway.
Lee has 8 vans on the road with 2 girls in the office.
Solar Steve has 2 vans on the road with 8 girls in the office.
You can't say that deege these days. It has to be '2 maybe LGBT office advice staff'.
I wish Shane MacGowan would write a new song.
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It's a slightly different business plan to Solar Steves anyway.
Lee has 8 vans on the road with 2 girls in the office.
Solar Steve has 2 vans on the road with 8 girls in the office.
I nominate this for comment of the year (2016)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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FairPlay lee, keep us posted on your progress. ;D
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Onwards and upwards Lee.
If you don't try you don't get.
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STUPID ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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" Because its a good time of my life to try. No wife, no kids, been in the game 12 years and I feel I know what im doing."
you know what you doing ????
money is not the bee and end all of life as i well know.it wouldnt being happiness if your trying to replace the above,and remember you cant take it to your grave
so for me life style and happiness would be the 1st option and not by money means
but i take my hat off to you for trying and good luck
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Problem with window cleaning is it doesn't take long for staff to feel they are being short changed by near minimum wage when they could build a round of there own. They realise it's not rocket science to start cleaning a few on a weekend with a backpack or a ladder and before you know it they are doing 2 days on there own, sacking in the job and making what they made when they were employed.
Lost a good member of staff and got more competition in the area. I see how franchising can make the franchisee stay on as they are more directly involved in changing their income.
Most on here that employ I would think do so with 1 staff member joining them on the van. This works as you can keep an eye on them.
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I think Lee employs now and doesn't franchise. I could be wrong though.
Window cleaning is a very scalable business and once you have a bit of cash behind you it it relatively easy to keep the momentum of new customers coming in at a faster rate than the ones you have dumped or the ones which have cancelled.
I think Lee's business plan is a winner myself.
1,000,000.00 leaflets delivered. Hit rate of 0.4% = 4000 new customers. Print & Distribution =£85,000.00
Price per new customer =£21.25
Lee's average customer price on Cleaner Planner £22.00
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I'll deliver those leaflets for that lol.
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Cost you a fortune in trainers! ;D
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I think it's a fantastic idea. The only thing I'd concider is employing a full time canvasser. 10k for a brand new sign written small car. Put him on 25 k a year so you attract someone who knows what there doing and 25 k for leaflets fuel etc for two years. I'd like to think in two years a full time professional canvasser would be able to fill 3-4 vans with 2 employees in each with full time work. This way your don't spend your life on the phone with new call and you can target whatever work you want ... ...
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A bit of both, a big gamble and going to be hard, but that's how these things can work, good luck buddy, the world is full of if only I had,
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I think Lee employs now and doesn't franchise. I could be wrong though.
Window cleaning is a very scalable business and once you have a bit of cash behind you it it relatively easy to keep the momentum of new customers coming in at a faster rate than the ones you have dumped or the ones which have cancelled.
I think Lee's business plan is a winner myself.
1,000,000.00 leaflets delivered. Hit rate of 0.4% = 4000 new customers. Print & Distribution =£85,000.00
Price per new customer =£21.25
Lee's average customer price on Cleaner Planner £22.00
Finally, that's more like it haha.
I actually hope for nearer 5000 new over 12 months.
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STUPID ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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" Because its a good time of my life to try. No wife, no kids, been in the game 12 years and I feel I know what im doing."
you know what you doing ????
money is not the bee and end all of life as i well know.it wouldnt being happiness if your trying to replace the above,and remember you cant take it to your grave
so for me life style and happiness would be the 1st option and not by money means
but i take my hat off to you for trying and good luck
The thing is franky you can't know what makes someone else happy.
Im surprised to be getting so many rude and offensive posts just because I want to develope my business................
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STUPID ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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" Because its a good time of my life to try. No wife, no kids, been in the game 12 years and I feel I know what im doing."
you know what you doing ????
money is not the bee and end all of life as i well know.it wouldnt being happiness if your trying to replace the above,and remember you cant take it to your grave
so for me life style and happiness would be the 1st option and not by money means
but i take my hat off to you for trying and good luck
The thing is franky you can't know what makes someone else happy.
Im surprised to be getting so many rude and offensive posts just because I want to develope my business................
STUPID ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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" Because its a good time of my life to try. No wife, no kids, been in the game 12 years and I feel I know what im doing."
you know what you doing ????
money is not the bee and end all of life as i well know.it wouldnt being happiness if your trying to replace the above,and remember you cant take it to your grave
so for me life style and happiness would be the 1st option and not by money means
but i take my hat off to you for trying and good luck
The thing is franky you can't know what makes someone else happy.
Im surprised to be getting so many rude and offensive posts just because I want to develope my business................
Did you expect everyone to idolise you for your ideas on developing your business? You have posted a topic which is open to question so you should be man enough to take the replies both positive and negative.
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I think it's a fantastic idea. The only thing I'd concider is employing a full time canvasser. 10k for a brand new sign written small car. Put him on 25 k a year so you attract someone who knows what there doing and 25 k for leaflets fuel etc for two years. I'd like to think in two years a full time professional canvasser would be able to fill 3-4 vans with 2 employees in each with full time work. This way your don't spend your life on the phone with new call and you can target whatever work you want ... ...
This is what occurred to me would be a better use of money. It would take longer but it would be more manageable.
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Of course I don't expect people to idolise. Again that question shows the mentality on here. What I expected is some people would be interested to learn more and some might think it wasn't a good idea.
It's got nothing to do with being man enough and is yet another example of how hard it is here to have a mature and useful conversation about anything other than at MODDED brush or pole!
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Of course I don't expect people to idolise. Again that question shows the mentality on here. What I expected is some people would be interested to learn more and some might think it wasn't a good idea.
It's got nothing to do with being man enough and is yet another example of how hard it is here to have a mature and useful conversation about anything other than at MODDED brush or pole!
To be honest, that (like many other of your posts) wasn't very mature and useful either.
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Of course I don't expect people to idolise. Again that question shows the mentality on here. What I expected is some people would be interested to learn more and some might think it wasn't a good idea.
It's got nothing to do with being man enough and is yet another example of how hard it is here to have a mature and useful conversation about anything other than at MODDED brush or pole!
Well do us all a favour and go spouting your rubbish somewhere else, you never know, you might even get the kind of response you're so desperately searching for- get a life Lee- you might enjoy one!
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Good idea