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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dave the rave on March 02, 2016, 01:51:17 pm
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Hi Guys Has anyone bought a new citroen dispatch HDI1 (ENTERPRISE)short wheel base recently and how much did you pay?
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Why are you thinking of buying one of them I have been warned off of them in the past by a Citreon mechanic believe it or not,speak to any good experienced mechanic they'll say if it's diesel and French don't buy it.
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I think the 2.0hdi is OK but would stay well clear of the 1.6hdi.
I have the old shape dispatch 2.0hdi, owned 10 years from new and it has been excellent.
The newer vans are more complicated, probably to meet stricter emission targets and so are more prone to problems - but that is the case whichever new van you buy. This is part of the reason I plan to stick with my old dispatch a few more years.
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Why are you thinking of buying one of them I have been warned off of them in the past by a Citreon mechanic believe it or not,speak to any good experienced mechanic they'll say if it's diesel and French don't buy it.
My mechanic warned me off Vivarro/Traffic/Primastar.
New Ford vans have French diesel engines in them (PSA).
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Why are you thinking of buying one of them I have been warned off of them in the past by a Citreon mechanic believe it or not,speak to any good experienced mechanic they'll say if it's diesel and French don't buy it.
We've run nothing but PSA Diesels for the last decade and found them (XUD 9 / XUD 11 and DW10i) to be capable of 200 - 300,000 miles without any major issues. Saying that the 1.6 hdi is a minefield and prone to a number of expensive issues. If the Vans are still using the 2.0 8v hdi in 90 or 100 bhp I'd have no concerns.
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Yeah and the trafic Vivaro etc I didn't mention them coz I thought that was obvious,just get a VW and be done with it.
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Yeah and the trafic Vivaro etc I didn't mention them coz I thought that was obvious,just get a VW and be done with it.
Ive got a 55 plate Traffic at the moment, had it for 4.5 years and so far the only issue I've had was a fuel rail release valve and a new slave cylinder put on, a turbo pipe and a new fuel filter. Its actually been a great van. I've got a new Transporter on order and seriously considering keeping my Traffic as well and getting someone else out on the road.. I want to start a thread about the perils of multiple vans and workers but its been done quite a bit recently! ;D
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I have had a Hyundai iload 2.5Diesel for 4 years from new with no problems at all. But there shouldn't be really should there?
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surely any brand new van should last you a good few years without any major problems whatever van you buy.
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I have had a Hyundai iload 2.5Diesel for 4 years from new with no problems at all. But there shouldn't be really should there?
how meny miles is on ur van now i was looking at these a wile back but ended up geting a vivaro thats bin ok new gear box and a set of pads so far just hit 50k today ;D
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I have had a Hyundai iload 2.5Diesel for 4 years from new with no problems at all. But there shouldn't be really should there?
That's my choice for next van. Friend of mine has one and loves it.
Vin
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surely any brand new van should last you a good few years without any major problems whatever van you buy.
i know someone who gets a new Vivaro every 3 years and has done for years gets an amazing deal he only uses it for light use he's always had gearbox or a clutch go at the least but he just takes em back they give him another while there fixing it. They said once hey changed the engines they wouldn't have any trouble but it's made no difference to the ones he's had and many others.
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surely any brand new van should last you a good few years without any major problems whatever van you buy.
Basic mechanics are probably ok but the problem seems to be the amount of ant-pollution stuff that's nailed onto the current details - it makes them very complicated and potentially very unreliable.
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I have had a Hyundai iload 2.5Diesel for 4 years from new with no problems at all. But there shouldn't be really should there?
how meny miles is on ur van now i was looking at these a wile back but ended up geting a vivaro thats bin ok new gear box and a set of pads so far just hit 50k today ;D
Only 21,000. I virtually only use it for work and my round is getting more compact.
It was about £16K in March 2012 but there was a small 3% "business subsidy" (£480) reduction because I bought it at a local dealer and it was sold in my business name not just as a self employed individual.
It has a 5 yr 100,000 warranty so I have a year left. (Not wear and tear items after less time like discs and pads or clutch or aircon recharge 3 years.)
It has just had a set of front pads at 20,500 miles and the backs are reportedly half worn from new. I am on my second set of tyres. Strangely for a rear wheel drive the fronts wear out first. Probably all the 3 point turns I do.
I suspect the clutch will be the first major item to wear out, but no sign yet.
Mpg was about 25 when it was two up plus 650L water at the start of every day, now it is about 30. But I only do about 425 miles a month and carry 400L at the start of the day, down from about 500 miles when I was two up.
I think the back door hinge "stops" are a bit worn as a strong wind will close them but that might just be my imagination. They get a lot of use of course.
You can get a lift up door now which I would consider but couldn't when I got mine.
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VW's are no better than anything else. A myth of reliability built up through clever advertising. ( and lies about emisions). My Son crashed his car today and we got chatting to the recovery truck driver - he'd just towed an Audi to the garage - drove over a pothole and the DSG automatic gear box packed up.
We've had several VW's in the family - never had a good one yet, never will either 'cos I'll never buy another.
The best diesel engines also tend to be French :o
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http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201601210275215?make=toyota&model=proace&maximum-age=up_to_1_year_old&maximum-mileage=up_to_1000_miles&search-target=usedvans&page=1&radius=1500&sort=locasc&postcode=ch53pw&searchcontext=default&logcode=p
about 20 of these left in the uk lwb L2 Proace delivery miles £10995 =vat ..... 2.0 hdi as well
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The best Diesel engines tend to be French yeah right oh Dave,had a few cans tonight have you. You'll struggle to beat a transporter mine drives better than most middle of the range cars.
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VW T5 is good. Plan on converting mine into a day camper and selling on when I buy a new one.
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what about the transit or the custom i hear there good
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The best Diesel engines tend to be French yeah right oh Dave,had a few cans tonight have you. You'll struggle to beat a transporter mine drives better than most middle of the range cars.
You haven't a clue have you. Even Ford use diesels from the French - BMW too. I don't drink either ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_HDi_engine
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Most I speak to want a transporter but they are pricey a lot more than other makes,I could have got a brand new vivaro-trafic with new heater and system but I chose not to because I know I'd have had hassle with either down the line somewhere. Do you know what they are worth at the end of a 3-4 year lease,peanuts about 4-5k they will give you tops,a young salesman that shouldn't have really said anything reckoned I'd be lucky to get 4K back for it against another new 1.
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My Son didn't get a lot part exchange when his Transporter blew up at 70k just outside the warranty period - they wanted nine grand to repair it. Utter Garbage.
How my Mrs laughed when her VW convertible locked itself with the engine running whilst she was scraping the windscreen.
How we giggled when the Polo went up in flames when the wiper motor caught fire.
How we enjoyed the dreadful gearbox in our VW UP and mpg nothing like the claimed figures.
How my Sons brand new GTI arrived with a respray ??? and what a pile of crap that's been for him.
How my camper van dropped a valve or when the solenoid stuck on the starter motor in Sweden ;D
I think there were more.
Oh yes, the air cooled camper van that had the staff rolling around in stitches at the spares department. "Mate, I used to work for VW - that engine you've got in that was so bad we used to tippex them when they went out and lay bets they wouldn't make their first service!"
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My Son didn't get a lot part exchange when his Transporter blew up at 70k just outside the warranty period - they wanted nine grand to repair it. Utter Garbage.
How my Mrs laughed when her VW convertible locked itself with the engine running whilst she was scraping the windscreen.
How we giggled when the Polo went up in flames when the wiper motor caught fire.
How we enjoyed the dreadful gearbox in our VW UP and mpg nothing like the claimed figures.
How my Sons brand new GTI arrived with a respray ??? and what a pile of crap that's been for him.
How my camper van dropped a valve or when the solenoid stuck on the starter motor in Sweden ;D
I think there were more.
Why do you keep buying VW's then?! :o
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My Son didn't get a lot part exchange when his Transporter blew up at 70k just outside the warranty period - they wanted nine grand to repair it. Utter Garbage.
How my Mrs laughed when her VW convertible locked itself with the engine running whilst she was scraping the windscreen.
How we giggled when the Polo went up in flames when the wiper motor caught fire.
How we enjoyed the dreadful gearbox in our VW UP and mpg nothing like the claimed figures.
How my Sons brand new GTI arrived with a respray ??? and what a pile of crap that's been for him.
How my camper van dropped a valve or when the solenoid stuck on the starter motor in Sweden ;D
I think there were more.
i would have given up with vw after the van blew up .
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VW's are no better than anything else. A myth of reliability built up through clever advertising.
Here's the truth about VW - below average: http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
Vin
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VW's are no better than anything else. A myth of reliability built up through clever advertising.
Here's the truth about VW - below average: http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
Vin
do they do one for vans?
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do they do one for vans?
Dunno.
Vin
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http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
That's it then .......... the Bentley's going back first thing Monday morning!
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Plenty of sites http://www.austentrading.co.uk/blog/the-top-10-most-reliable-used-vans-in-the-uk-market/
bit of a surprise to see Ford tops most of them. :o
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Why are you thinking of buying one of them I have been warned off of them in the past by a Citreon mechanic believe it or not,speak to any good experienced mechanic they'll say if it's diesel and French don't buy it.
poop mechanic then.
French always made good oil burners.
Latest ones are spot on. loads of power, reliable and economical
I also used to be a mechanic. Some fantastic and some poop in all makes, but some more than others.
you know its a good engine or chassis because other manufactures use them
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Plenty of sites http://www.austentrading.co.uk/blog/the-top-10-most-reliable-used-vans-in-the-uk-market/
bit of a surprise to see Ford tops most of them. :o
With a vivaro and traffic in the top 10 I would give little credence to that site.
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Someone said to me once the best guide you'll ever have with cars and vans is look at how many are driving about 10-15 years down the line,it's not a rumour its a fact anything French and on 4 wheels is crap.
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Someone said to me once the best guide you'll ever have with cars and vans is look at how many are driving about 10-15 years down the line,it's not a rumour its a fact anything French and on 4 wheels is crap.
your talking rubbish mate.i had a kangoo van and it was 14 years old when i sold it and its still going!16 years old now.the engine never missed a beat.
i would never buy a VW.overrated,overpriced and unreliable.my mate has had a few and had endless problems.never again would he buy a VW!
i have had loads of fords over the years.older ones too and they ve been great.
i have 2 fords(cougar 2.5 V6 which is 16 years old)and a connect T230(11 years old).a grand for the cougar 4 years ago and £2.400 for the connect 2 years ago.
apart from a few repairs/parts here and there they ve been reliable as usual .very cheap too.
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Transit custom has just hit 20k and been faultless
But heard horror stories of oil pump failures !
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VW's are no better than anything else. A myth of reliability built up through clever advertising. ( and lies about emisions). My Son crashed his car today and we got chatting to the recovery truck driver - he'd just towed an Audi to the garage - drove over a pothole and the DSG automatic gear box packed up.
We've had several VW's in the family - never had a good one yet, never will either 'cos I'll never buy another.
Both my kids have had vw cars so ive often looked them up for various reasons on the internet and have noticed that the reliability ratings for them on a lot of sites have gone down over the last five years. Id have Jap over German anyday (not that ive got one, but my next car probably will be).
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Someone said to me once the best guide you'll ever have with cars and vans is look at how many are driving about 10-15 years down the line,it's not a rumour its a fact anything French and on 4 wheels is crap.
Then on balance that would be French stuff then. There are still an incredibly high number of 406, 306, 206 and assorted vans on the road today from 20 years ago despite the fact they were outsold by Ford many times over - and I'm speaking as a Ford fan. PSA always were very good at making diesels and entered into a joint manufacturing deal with Ford...because they weren't. Some earlier Ford / PSA units are more or less identical whilst others are based on respective units. The joint venture supplied engines to Ford, Peugeot, Citroen, BMW Mini, Land Rover, Range Rover, Jaguar. Ford four cylinder TDCI seem to have more issues than the PSA equivalents of the time until about 2007 when Ford simply started using PSA engines.
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Someone said to me once the best guide you'll ever have with cars and vans is look at how many are driving about 10-15 years down the line,it's not a rumour its a fact anything French and on 4 wheels is crap.
I owned a Renault 19 1.9D for 10 years (work and family car, bought when 9 months old). Very good motor, only fault was I had to replace radiator.
Only sold Renault to go wfp and brought brad new Citreon dispatch 2.0hdi which I have now owned for 10 years and plan to keep a few more. Better than the renault overall for me.
These are the best two vehicles I have owned but would not buy a new renault or the new dispatch 1.6hdi.
My wife has a citreon c3 picasso 1.6hdi, 5 years old and 65k on clock (owned from new) and so far has been a very decent car.
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Son just got his quote to repair his VW
Guess how much for a track rod end, two new tyres and reset a couple of error messages on the dash?
He slid sideways into the kerb at 20mph.
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Normally I wouldn't touch a French vehicle as they do tend to be rubbish vehicles ,but I think the Citroen Dispatch is French in name only.
Yes you can get a lemon in all makes but French vehicles do seem to have a bigger share, put it this way I would rather have
my finger nails pulled out than have to put up with owning another Renault.
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I wouldn't listen to a couple on here all French diesels m8 stay away if so and so has had no problems they've been lucky,as well as the engines the cabs inside are drab at best.
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Oh lord! When will it sink in ::)roll Ford, BMW, Suzuki, Toyota and more use French Deisel engines!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9815860/German-cars-lose-out-in-reliability-survey.html
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Transit custom has just hit 20k and been faultless
But heard horror stories of oil pump failures !
There is a recall for oil pumps on the Ford Transits
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I wouldn't listen to a couple on here all French diesels m8 stay away if so and so has had no problems they've been lucky,as well as the engines the cabs inside are drab at best.
Well we've only had 10 over the last decade and subsequently only managed a collective 600,000 miles with out any major hassles - so perhaps it's a bit early for us to decide ?
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Oh lord! When will it sink in ::)roll Ford, BMW, Suzuki, Toyota and more use French Deisel engines!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9815860/German-cars-lose-out-in-reliability-survey.html
They probably take a bit more time when there building them with those badges on em unlike when it says Citroen or Peugeot,I think they let the tea boys build them lol.
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I have actually bought 3 pugeot expert 2.0hdi l1h1 vans in last 6 months. Long story but first one was written off. Replaced it the had to get rid of a cleaner who used his own van so ad to buy another one to replace him. Anyway got a solar deal on all 3. All sat Nav, ac and Bluetooth. Pre registered 15 plates at £11500. Paid vat as a deposit £2k ish then 4 years he at about £280 per month. Very good deal imo highly recommend .
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having had over 80 vans in the last 15 years ive got to say there all as bad as each other and its a case of picking the best of a bad lot
I dream of the days when vans would go for miles and miles with out spending money on them , so thats smiley faced transits and old sprinters ( the one with the gear stick going out the floor ) them were the days
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Transit custom has just hit 20k and been faultless
But heard horror stories of oil pump failures !
There is a recall for oil pumps on the Ford Transits
Aye mine isn't one of them :)
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Everybody else: "The Sky is Blue"
NWH: "No, it's Green!"
My French Diesel story:
We bought a Y reg (2001) Pug 406HDi Estate on 120,000 miles in 2008.
We gave it away in 2012 on 170,000 miles to a mate of my wife (single parent with 4 kids).
She still drives it now. It was on 205,000 in January.
Good old bus.
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When you actually here the ex salesman of someone like Citroen say don't buy one there trouble you tend to sit up and take notice,when the mechanics say the same would it not put you off slightly. They have more vans in for repair under a couple of years old than other makes just getting a service,you are bound to get a batch that don't get as much trouble it's the same with anything but you have to look at the overall picture that's what a magazine like whatcar do they wait a few years and then give an opinion.
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When you actually here the ex salesman of someone like Citroen say don't buy one there trouble you tend to sit up and take notice,when the mechanics say the same would it not put you off slightly. They have more vans in for repair under a couple of years old than other makes just getting a service,you are bound to get a batch that don't get as much trouble it's the same with anything but you have to look at the overall picture that's what a magazine like whatcar do they wait a few years and then give an opinion.
The problem is NWH that your original post demonizes all French Diesels - (speak to any good experienced mechanic they'll say if it's diesel and French don't buy it.) - The French led the World in making modern diesels refined and acceptable after the ghastly, tractor like stuff of the past. The PSA XUD were the first really refined, mass produced diesels with VW making the first high speed diesels The French, or specifically PSA, were so accomplished in their manufacturing skills that when Ford finally admitted they didn't really have a clue it was PSA they worked with to find a solution - using Ford money and PSA know how.
As to the very modern vehicles that you now mention then the problem most likely comes from all the anti-pollution stuff that's been nailed on by successive legislation which is making ALL diesel engines overly complicated and ultimately unreliable. I've a friend who works for Volvo and he attended a days course on the problems and issues that will be presented by the new environmental requirements on the new XC and says it's daunting,
Possibly now the only way to run a new van is simply to find a good lease deal and let someone else worry about any likely issues.