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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Window Washers on December 09, 2012, 07:02:22 pm
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Just interested to know who has a hot system fitted against just cold
If you don't is this something your looking into?
Will you DIY or supplier install ?
Are you not going hot ?
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You make me laugh here you are asking all these questions topic after topic yet anyone asks you a question and you come up with crap or just blatantly don't answer.
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supplier fitted ;D ;D ;D
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You make me laugh here you are asking all these questions topic after topic yet anyone asks you a question and you come up with crap or just blatantly don't answer.
when people ask me personal questions In the hope of making me look stupid I don't answer or try not to as I don't want to get banned, what would you do ?
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Diy fitted
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You make me laugh here you are asking all these questions topic after topic yet anyone asks you a question and you come up with crap or just blatantly don't answer.
when people ask me personal questions In the hope of making me look stupid I don't answer or try not to as I don't want to get banned, what would you do ?
you lost me..why would you get banned from answering questions like have you got a crash tested system fitted?..i'm not jumping on the wagon with others laying in to you, but you seem to like to advise people they should do this and that yet you cant give a straight answers when someone ask you the question, which just gets up peoples noses.
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sorry ian whats the difference between me and you then.???ive answered
answer the question same as,
and dont get yourself drawn into arguements.
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sorry ian whats the difference between me and you then.???ive answered
answer the question same as,
and dont get yourself drawn into arguements.
totally frankly I need to learn that last part though
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Im interested in going hot as i do many first cleans and connie roofs and will help with the freezing of systems in winter. Id be interested how more advanced hot is and if is woth the outlay.
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Diy (L5)
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Are u botherd or are u not žzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and sleep ure an insomniacs dream u iam why do t u get out a bit more
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diy for me too ian .... love you man ;D
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Are u botherd or are u not žzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and sleep ure an insomniacs dream u iam why do t u get out a bit more
Care to translate that into English?
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Can be, as I've got one of them there immersion heater thingy-mer-jigglies that I installed all by myself with plenty of help off the interweb and from friendly chaps off this forum. So I can be hot if I plug it in for a few hours. My wife thinks I'm hot all the time ;D ;D ;D
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I've been Wfp for years. No need for crash tested systems, fancy vans or hot water.
I take mine anywhere.
(http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx154/jrwindows/8520B043-04A2-4725-B16B-13E29FC513AB-973-0000007465BC2FFD.jpg)
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You make me laugh here you are asking all these questions topic after topic yet anyone asks you a question and you come up with crap or just blatantly don't answer.
when people ask me personal questions In the hope of making me look stupid I don't answer or try not to as I don't want to get banned, what would you do ?
Yo are half quoting this
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln I think.
Sadly I often do the latter!
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I've been Wfp for years. No need for crash tested systems, fancy vans or hot water.
I take mine anywhere.
(http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx154/jrwindows/8520B043-04A2-4725-B16B-13E29FC513AB-973-0000007465BC2FFD.jpg)
Nice sandals.
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Cheers Concept,
I used to feel daft getting on the bus with high viz, hard hat & rigger boots. So I take the casual approach.
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im hot...but my system is not! ;)
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Next van will be.
Ionics and vw transporter :D
You'll want to see my next purchase then ;)
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our hot systems are being fitted tomorrow. Yay
looking forward to having a play but im a bit sad I didnt have the benefits for the years I was on the tools. I really could have done with it during those hundreds of first cleans, green con roof and fascias and cold winters.
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DiY immersion - reminds me, better go and switch on the timer in a mo'!
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our hot systems are being fitted tomorrow. Yay
looking forward to having a play but im a bit sad I didnt have the benefits for the years I was on the tools. I really could have done with it during those hundreds of first cleans, green con roof and fascias and cold winters.
You'll love it. Don't listen to the hot haters. It's such a pleasure to work with when its cold. Supple hose, warmer pole, cuts through grime and algae.
Enjoy.
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after going down the diy route and fitting a immersion heater with a timer switch , 5 til 8 in a 400 ltr tank i had hot water .
PROBLEM the roads were that bad that i couldnt get to do any work .
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I've been Wfp for years. No need for crash tested systems, fancy vans or hot water.
I take mine anywhere.
(http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx154/jrwindows/8520B043-04A2-4725-B16B-13E29FC513AB-973-0000007465BC2FFD.jpg)
Nice sandals.
That's Craig Mawlams wife in that photo.
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Is that true?
He must be minted! fair play to him, he was a window cleaner once upon a time. Really we should all be very greatful to him, his company started the wfp window cleaning industry. Without that many of us would not earn a fraction of what we do and its made the industry into a proper business.
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Is that true?
He must be minted! fair play to him, he was a window cleaner once upon a time. Really we should all be very greatful to him, his company started the wfp window cleaning industry. Without that many of us would not earn a fraction of what we do and its made the industry into a proper business.
Ionics have played a significant part in WFP window cleaning in UK and Europe but his company didn't start the concept of pure water cleaning or cleaning windows with water fed poles, this began in USA and Tucker were the first to introduce us to this method of window cleaning. I can remember cleaning windows with a tucker pole over 12 years ago in London, Oxford and Bristol and the public wold look at this method with amazement as it wasn't common at all back then and pretty much unheard of for residential work. WFP has developed loads in just over a decade and Ionics have played a big part in that.
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Been cold for over 4 yrs now and hardly missed a days work in the past winters even dragging PF trolley through a 1 ft of snow in some peoples gardens .
If it is that cold were water will freeze on glass even hot wont work to a point as once it cools it will freeze and if you aint got a 4x4 how keen would you be driving on icy roads with 300 ltrs of water and more in back of your van . Mike
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Ive been using diy hot for over 4 yrs, & its not the answer to all your winter problems.
As mentioned before, in really cold weather the warm water will rince the glass but it will freeze up after.
Hot is better in the milder weather when the temperatures can be turned up to aid cleaning, when theres more baked on spider, bee, fly pooh around, or for cleaning gutters/ fascias/ con roofs etc.
In the winter hot is only helpfull to keep hose from freezing on the ground and to keep the hose soft.
Say all this, i use hot every day on every job, & wouldnt be without it.
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whats very interesting on this poll, there are nearly 20% of people looking to go hot, yet none at time of replying fitted by a supplier.
Would be interesteing to understand why this is, are the suppliers lacking in something, or if it purely down to cost ?
Ionics have played at very good part in making our industry what it is today although they didnt start it, they just helped it be wider known via there marketing efforts
What I find very interesting that hot users are not raving about it on maintenence cleaning rather new cleans and add ons. and the time of year its used not being winter thats very interesting indeed.
Yet people say they use hot all year round, whys this ?
this is why I like creating different posts and polls some more off the wall than others :-X, it allows everyone 'myself included' to get better insight into things and different thoughts of people.
We dont use hot yet and the reason is simply I had it demonstrated by two companies and each failed to clean my windows well with it, yet I could clean well with cold.
for that reason alone i totally dismissed it (my mistake maybe, maybe not)
Will this change quite possibily if I can see the benifit to my business
it was recently I started to look once again more into it because I am looking to expand again and want to make this easier for first cleans and extras (automated sales funnel to gain extras if possible)
but again now it is cost against time will it save time, im hearing it is New cleans extras, and what the cost of that saving, im yet to work this figure out. anybody already been this anal and worked this out ?
having a warm hose and not freezing a couple of times a year is not a good enough reason for me to invest time and money into something, maybe others feel the same too ?
Im looking for answers on how long does it really shave off each job on maintenence cleans as this is where most of are work is.
how long does it save on first cleans, fascia and conservatory roofs (this really interests me as this would help massively with what im looking to do)
I am very interested to see what Lee Pryor does as I like the way he thinks and isnt scared to jump in and try something out.
I would love to go out with someone that has a hot system to test it out again, possibly on maintenance and extra cleans like a con roof or fascia.
Thats my thoughts on hot.
I am open to anything, whats your thoughts ?
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I'm not hot but my missus is
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I'm not hot but my missus is
Pics!!
;D
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got both in my van, hot on one hose and cold on the other!
mines DIY and only cost £140 to do it.
can change temp with a turn of dial, so can have it just luke warm or red hot!
its great on green conservatory roofs, shifts everything nice and quick!
cost about £13 for 2 weeks to run for me!
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
dont understand what you mean ?
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
that is exactly what i was going write. even if you employ, and are not on the tools, if your workers are able to work one day extra, it has payed for itself.
stop asking questions about hot systems Ian, and just get one ;D
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
dont understand what you mean ?
if you miss one day because of the cold wether, where you could have worked with a hot system, then it has paid for itself.
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
that is exactly what i was going write. even if you employ, and are not on the tools, if your workers are able to work one day extra, it has payed for itself.
stop asking questions about hot systems Ian, and just get one ;D
can you please expain what you mean by this Lee.
if they work just one extra day its no where near going to pay for a years use, how much money do you guys earn per day :o
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
dont understand what you mean ?
i had a case of this the other day.
turned up at a job and started on first window, water froze to the window, turned the hot water system on and waited for a few minutes, water came out warm and was able to get on with cleaning! otherwise i would of had to of gone home and came back later in the day when it warmed up
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
dont understand what you mean ?
i had a case of this the other day.
turned up at a job and started on first window, water froze to the window, turned the hot water system on and waited for a few minutes, water came out warm and was able to get on with cleaning! otherwise i would of had to of gone home and came back later in the day when it warmed up
so you dont use it all the time then Richard ?
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whats very interesting on this poll, there are nearly 20% of people looking to go hot, yet none at time of replying fitted by a supplier.
Would be interesteing to understand why this is, are the suppliers lacking in something, or if it purely down to cost ?
Ionics have played at very good part in making our industry what it is today although they didnt start it, they just helped it be wider known via there marketing efforts
What I find very interesting that hot users are not raving about it on maintenence cleaning rather new cleans and add ons. and the time of year its used not being winter thats very interesting indeed.
Yet people say they use hot all year round, whys this ?
this is why I like creating different posts and polls some more off the wall than others :-X, it allows everyone 'myself included' to get better insight into things and different thoughts of people.
We dont use hot yet and the reason is simply I had it demonstrated by two companies and each failed to clean my windows well with it, yet I could clean well with cold.
for that reason alone i totally dismissed it (my mistake maybe, maybe not)
Will this change quite possibily if I can see the benifit to my business
it was recently I started to look once again more into it because I am looking to expand again and want to make this easier for first cleans and extras (automated sales funnel to gain extras if possible)
but again now it is cost against time will it save time, im hearing it is New cleans extras, and what the cost of that saving, im yet to work this figure out. anybody already been this anal and worked this out ?
having a warm hose and not freezing a couple of times a year is not a good enough reason for me to invest time and money into something, maybe others feel the same too ?
Im looking for answers on how long does it really shave off each job on maintenence cleans as this is where most of are work is.
how long does it save on first cleans, fascia and conservatory roofs (this really interests me as this would help massively with what im looking to do)
I am very interested to see what Lee Pryor does as I like the way he thinks and isnt scared to jump in and try something out.
I would love to go out with someone that has a hot system to test it out again, possibly on maintenance and extra cleans like a con roof or fascia.
Thats my thoughts on hot.
I am open to anything, whats your thoughts ?
you can come out with me if you want ian. where you gave me a lesson in wfp once .im more than happy to give you a lesson in hot wfp ;D ;D
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
dont understand what you mean ?
i had a case of this the other day.
turned up at a job and started on first window, water froze to the window, turned the hot water system on and waited for a few minutes, water came out warm and was able to get on with cleaning! otherwise i would of had to of gone home and came back later in the day when it warmed up
so you dont use it all the time then Richard ?
not 100% of the time, only when the frosts are about, i have used it non stop for the last 2 weeks,
its only been fitted in the van for a month now!
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If hot enables me to work one day longer in a year than a cold system then it's payed for itself by lunchtime.
that is exactly what i was going write. even if you employ, and are not on the tools, if your workers are able to work one day extra, it has payed for itself.
stop asking questions about hot systems Ian, and just get one ;D
can you please expain what you mean by this Lee.
if they work just one extra day its no where near going to pay for a years use, how much money do you guys earn per day :o
I dont, and i'm sure dave doesn't mean a years use, we are talking about the setup cost.
even if you are not going to use a hot system all year around, it is still a good investment for the winter months> I know mine has paid for itself already, i have worked a couple of days where i would not have been able to if i only had cold water.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
plus it keeps the van nice and warm to!!! lol ;D
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Tonight it's forecast to be minus four. First thing in the morning I'll heat the van with a fan heater, and fire up the gas and pump hot water through the hosereel. First job of the day and my water will be warm and hoses supple. Lovely jubbly.
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Tonight it's forecast to be minus four. First thing in the morning I'll heat the van with a fan heater, and fire up the gas and pump hot water through the hosereel. First job of the day and my water will be warm and hoses supple. Lovely jubbly.
yer same temp for here too! i got to park my van up on my drive and plug it in tonight, got a heater that runs all night to keep frost off all pumps etc
yer its great how well the hoses go with warm water, no more stiff hoses!
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Is that true?
He must be minted! fair play to him, he was a window cleaner once upon a time. Really we should all be very greatful to him, his company started the wfp window cleaning industry. Without that many of us would not earn a fraction of what we do and its made the industry into a proper business.
Is this ment to be IRONIC because they most certainly did not start the wfp window cleaning industry
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I wont be going hot as stated in a previous post. It is a waste of time , effort and money for anyone who is a business owner who runs a number of vans IMHO.
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I wont be going hot as stated in a previous post. It is a waste of time , effort and money for anyone who is a business owner who runs a number of vans IMHO.
Even if it allows their workers to work an extra few days a year?
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I have hot water systems in my vans, and having another fitted tomorrow.
Superb on first cleans, and excellent on cladding, also when just on warm stops the hoses freezing on the ground and also keep your hands warmer in the cold ;)
All fitted at Brodex, and upto now (touch wood), they have been brilliant.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
rouge trader what are your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
Nameless your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
Mines cost £140 to buy
£40 extra fittings for how mine is set up
£13 for 2 weeks work if using each day all day for my system.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
Nameless your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
Mines cost £140 to buy
£40 extra fittings for how mine is set up
£13 for 2 weeks work if using each day all day for my system.
do you work 6 hours solid with couple of hour max driving in you day Richard ?
trying to gage your use, for all I know you work 10 till 2 like alot of people on here ;D (im playing)
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
Nameless your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
Mines cost £140 to buy
£40 extra fittings for how mine is set up
£13 for 2 weeks work if using each day all day for my system.
do you work 6 hours solid with couple of hour max driving in you day Richard ?
trying to gage your use, for all I know you work 10 till 2 like alot of people on here ;D (im playing)
At the moment I leave the house about 8:30 back home by 3-4. Depending on houses. Guessing about 5 hours work on poles.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
Nameless your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
Mines cost £140 to buy
£40 extra fittings for how mine is set up
£13 for 2 weeks work if using each day all day for my system.
do you work 6 hours solid with couple of hour max driving in you day Richard ?
trying to gage your use, for all I know you work 10 till 2 like alot of people on here ;D (im playing)
At the moment I leave the house about 8:30 back home by 3-4. Depending on houses. Guessing about 5 hours work on poles.
26p an hour to run :o does that sound right ?
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Not much more than a pound a day if using £13 every fortnight.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
Nameless your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
Mines cost £140 to buy
£40 extra fittings for how mine is set up
£13 for 2 weeks work if using each day all day for my system.
do you work 6 hours solid with couple of hour max driving in you day Richard ?
trying to gage your use, for all I know you work 10 till 2 like alot of people on here ;D (im playing)
At the moment I leave the house about 8:30 back home by 3-4. Depending on houses. Guessing about 5 hours work on poles.
26p an hour to run :o does that sound right ?
Give or take its around that, just depends what system people have, it's about right for mine.
26p an hour to make £30-£50 an hour, I think it's worth it!
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Not much more than a pound a day if using £13 every fortnight.
ok on maintenance cleans is this just to keep you warm of does it honestly save you time if so how ?
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Ever tried scrubbing snail trails with hot water? Try it one day
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Not much more than a pound a day if using £13 every fortnight.
ok on maintenance cleans is this just to keep you warm of does it honestly save you time if so how ?
It removes any dirt quicker, it drys a lot quicker too.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
Nameless your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
Mines cost £140 to buy
£40 extra fittings for how mine is set up
£13 for 2 weeks work if using each day all day for my system.
do you work 6 hours solid with couple of hour max driving in you day Richard ?
trying to gage your use, for all I know you work 10 till 2 like alot of people on here ;D (im playing)
At the moment I leave the house about 8:30 back home by 3-4. Depending on houses. Guessing about 5 hours work on poles.
26p an hour to run :o does that sound right ?
Give or take its around that, just depends what system people have, it's about right for mine.
26p an hour to make £30-£50 an hour, I think it's worth it!
i already make money per hour mate, if it increases it, then its worth it, if not then its not, im not either for or against it but these answers are good, I want cold (no pun) hard facts if it makes more or not for the hassle. new cleans we have that covered it does, by how much thats not been answered yet (someone must be as geeky as me on the figures)
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Ever tried scrubbing snail trails with hot water? Try it one day
Yer they take no time atall
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If you are only interested in money and are sat in the office all day then don't get a heater. Don't buy carbon poles either 'cos they cost more and won't make more money. Don't buy xtreme brushes 'cos they won't make more money either.
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same here. A gas heater is so cheap that it's a bonus come winter time.
what the daily, monthy cost of it ?
im not knocking just interested.
Does anyone have any really costing if this is or isnt just a luxury or a profit pulling benifit ?
Nameless your thoughts please add them here i see you posted somehwhere else
Mines cost £140 to buy
£40 extra fittings for how mine is set up
£13 for 2 weeks work if using each day all day for my system.
do you work 6 hours solid with couple of hour max driving in you day Richard ?
trying to gage your use, for all I know you work 10 till 2 like alot of people on here ;D (im playing)
At the moment I leave the house about 8:30 back home by 3-4. Depending on houses. Guessing about 5 hours work on poles.
26p an hour to run :o does that sound right ?
Give or take its around that, just depends what system people have, it's about right for mine.
26p an hour to make £30-£50 an hour, I think it's worth it!
i already make money per hour mate, if it increases it, then its worth it, if not then its not, im not either for or against it but these answers are good, I want cold (no pun) hard facts if it makes more or not for the hassle. new cleans we have that covered it does, by how much thats not been answered yet (someone must be as geeky as me on the figures)
Depends how you use it really, you could have one guy pushing pole up and down at 1mph and another guy that pushes it up and down at 4mph, there is no definite answer as everyone is different on how they use it,
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Ever tried scrubbing snail trails with hot water? Try it one day
ok thats one good point, although following them I seem to have no problems with cold, but noted this down thanks any more
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If you are only interested in money and are sat in the office all day then don't get a heater. Don't buy carbon poles either 'cos they cost more and won't make more money. Don't buy xtreme brushes 'cos they won't make more money either.
Dave be nice, thats not a great answer at all and helps no body, I am asking valid questions because i am interested ;)
of course i am interested in the money I run a business its not for fun. its not about saving money it is about cost
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Ever tried scrubbing snail trails with hot water? Try it one day
ok thats one good point, althoguhb following them I seem to have no problems with cold, but noted this down thanks any more
Not on new windows but on conservatory Roofs, those flat round grey moss bit you get on plastic ones with cold water I always had to scrap them off, with the hot water it softens them so they just come off without any problem.
Green algee comes off a lot quicker too.
Bird muck comes off easy too
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I don't think anyone buys into a hot system to make more money. They might well buy a hot system to work more hours throughout the winter though.
I am being nice. Those are facts I've posted. nobody buys an Xtreme pole to make more money.
My post is honest and very useful to normal people too. Don't go putting up stupid polls if you are not prepared to listen to anyone.
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Ever tried scrubbing snail trails with hot water? Try it one day
ok thats one good point, althoguhb following them I seem to have no problems with cold, but noted this down thanks any more
Not on new windows but on conservatory Roofs, those flat round grey moss bit you get on plastic ones with cold water I always had to scrap them off, with the hot water it softens them so they just come off without any problem.
Green algee comes off a lot quicker too.
Bird muck comes off easy too
lichen
so it removes that quicker good, any more ?
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Ever tried scrubbing snail trails with hot water? Try it one day
ok thats one good point, althoguhb following them I seem to have no problems with cold, but noted this down thanks any more
Not on new windows but on conservatory Roofs, those flat round grey moss bit you get on plastic ones with cold water I always had to scrap them off, with the hot water it softens them so they just come off without any problem.
Green algee comes off a lot quicker too.
Bird muck comes off easy too
lichen
so it removes that quicker good, any more ?
Yer that's the word I was looking for.
Grease and traffic grim if near busy roads or trading estate
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I don't think anyone buys into a hot system to make more money. They might well buy a hot system to work more hours throughout the winter though.
I am being nice. Those are facts I've posted. nobody buys an Xtreme pole to make more money.
tbh honest woith you, I bought clx over xtels because they make me more money not always true what you have just said. I use slx because I have problems with back, i have tried extreme but at the moment dont have the use for it
sometimes the extra cost is worth it as it saves you time which makes more money, this is what I am getting at Dave, this is the angle I am coming at because I employ people, I dont want to buy hot water systems just for the sake of it and then have the cost of running them, that would make me crazy without real reason
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I've already told you you won't be making more money on day today working as an employer. As an operator yes you'll save a bit of time and be more comfortable but it's not the path to getting rich. As I've also said it could mean the difference between working in sub zero temperatures or sitting at home. The band for working and not working is still very narrow - probably two or three degrees only.
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I've already told you you won't be making more money on day today working as an employer. As an operator yes you'll save a bit of time and be more comfortable but it's not the path to getting rich. As I've also said it could mean the difference between working in sub zero temperatures or sitting at home. The band for working and not working is still very narrow - probably two or three degrees only.
thanks ;)
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Also, as an employer I doubt you can go for the cheap gas route, so if you go diesel, rather than a couple of hundred quid outlay, you will be looking at three to four grand per van. Thats well over six grand for you. I doubt if you would recoup that.
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Also, as an employer I doubt you can go for the cheap gas route, so if you go diesel, rather than a couple of hundred quid outlay, you will be looking at three to four grand per van. Thats well over six grand for you. I doubt if you would recoup that.
There are gas ones that are good for the bigger guys, costs a little more but you can fill you gas up at any petrol station that sells lpg at the pump!
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Also, as an employer I doubt you can go for the cheap gas route, so if you go diesel, rather than a couple of hundred quid outlay, you will be looking at three to four grand per van. Thats well over six grand for you. I doubt if you would recoup that.
tell me about it, I do need to look at that side I would not put gas if it was unsafe (but fitted correctly it would be no different to another trade) there are i am sure is standards and rules for this I noted a few with a quick look, fire extiguisers(spelt wrong) and stickers thats just the start im sure, nothing is ever easy :(
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Also, as an employer I doubt you can go for the cheap gas route, so if you go diesel, rather than a couple of hundred quid outlay, you will be looking at three to four grand per van. Thats well over six grand for you. I doubt if you would recoup that.
tell me about it, I do need to look at that side I would not put gas if it was unsafe (but fitted correctly it would be no different to another trade) there are i am sure is standards and rules for this I noted a few with a quick look, fire extiguisers(spelt wrong) and stickers thats just the start im sure, nothing is ever easy :(
You would be surprised really, if you need to know more, concept o2 all there vans are gas powered heater and i didnt see any first extinguishers in any of there vans,
They have there gas bottles fitted under the van where the spare wheel goes.
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We are getting a Purefreedom/pure2o hot system fitted in the next week or 2, with one job in mind, which is basically a first clean on a site we will be on for up to 3 weeks, in January, so will be worth it's weight in gold for that contract alone.
We also do commercial building and fascia cleans, so it will do well on those also.
Ian, stop ping about and get it done.
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i run 4 vans on cold water and all vans worked every possible day they could last year - the only days they didnt work was when the roads were like ice rinks , hot watre or not nobody worked on those days. We lost no days through sub zero temps when the roads were negotiable and with cold yes COLD water.
Easy formula,
oil filled rads in vans at night, go and work during the day the van is warm due to your heater and when really cold keep water running as much as poss as running water doesnt freeze , always keep a bag of rock salt handy.
Job done - no days off, work completed as usual no hassle with gas , boilers , extra expenses , etc
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i run 4 vans on cold water and all vans worked every possible day they could last year - the only days they didnt work was when the roads were like ice rinks , hot watre or not nobody worked on those days. We lost no days through sub zero temps when the roads were negotiable and with cold yes COLD water.
Easy formula,
oil filled rads in vans at night, go and work during the day the van is warm due to your heater and when really cold keep water running as much as poss as running water doesnt freeze , always keep a bag of rock salt handy.
Job done - no days off, work completed as usual no hassle with gas , boilers , extra expenses , etc
I stopped using oil filler rads in vans as one day when cold I went out and everything inside had frozen (maybe the rad was two small) now use blow heater with cut outs